I am currently a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Mate unlimited undergoing assessments for Chief Mate Unlimited.
I have a person onboard my ship who is signing me off for a number of my assessments.
This person has an STCW management level license (Chief Mate Unlimited).
This person who is assessing me is currently sailing and employed on the same vessel as me as a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Mate Unlimited.
On the assessment sign off sheets there is a blank space labeled “Position” where the assessor enters his or her “Position”.
Should this person who is assessing me enter in this blank space labeled “Position” his position that he is currently sailing as on this vessel (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Mate unlimited), or should he enter in this space his license grade which qualifies him to assess me (Chief Mate Unlimited)?
[QUOTE=TedTed;84266]Can anyone answer the following question for me:
I am currently a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Mate unlimited undergoing assessments for Chief Mate Unlimited. I have a person onboard my ship who is signing me off for a number of my assessments.
Should this person who is assessing me enter in this blank space labeled “Position” his position that he is currently sailing as on this vessel (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Mate unlimited), or should he enter in this space his license grade which qualifies him to assess me (Chief Mate Unlimited)?[/QUOTE]
To avoid confusing the evaluator of your assessment book, I would have him put C/M. Paragraph 7.c of NMC policy letter 04-02 requires two assessor criteria; serving on your vessel and holding a “management level” STCW cert ( Master or Ch Mate).
That is what I thought as well. Problem is that my assessor is not comftorable doing it that way. He feels like he is presenting himself as chief mate of the ship when he is not.
Perhaps we could go with Position = “2nd Mate (Chief Mate licensed)” or simply provide an explanation with a separate sheet. I’m sure the NMC can use his MMD reference # to verify that he has a chief mate license.
Thanks for yall responses. I thought the same but my assessor is not comfortable signing as chief mate when he is not actually sailing as chief mate. We decided to put as Position: “[U]2nd Mate (Chief Mate license)[/U]” NMC can verify with his MMD number.
[QUOTE=rwells78;84388]To avoid confusing the evaluator of your assessment book, I would have him put C/M. Paragraph 7.c of NMC policy letter 04-02 requires two assessor criteria; serving on your vessel and holding a “management level” STCW cert ( Master or Ch Mate).
Good Luck![/QUOTE]
Can a 1600 Master sign off on the 04-02 assessments?
Thats what I thought as well, sign “Position” as C/M. But my assessor does not feel comfortable signing as chief mate when he is not actually sailing as such.
We decided to enter into the blank labeled “Position” as follows: 2nd Mate (Chief Mate license). I imagine the NMC will use his MMD reference# to verify that he is a chief mate.
I was reading some other posts that were discussing whether a 1600 master could sign off chief mate assessments. It seems that there is no specific reason why they could not. They are mgmt level STCW. That would be an excellent option for someone working supply boat. Be interesting to see if NMC evaluator would approve such a thing.
[QUOTE=TedTed;84535]I was reading some other posts that were discussing whether a 1600 master could sign off chief mate assessments. It seems that there is no specific reason why they could not. They are mgmt level STCW. That would be an excellent option for someone working supply boat. Be interesting to see if NMC evaluator would approve such a thing.[/QUOTE]
So as a 2nd mate 1600 Master you could sign off your own CM/M assessments!?
[QUOTE=TedTed;84535]I was reading some other posts that were discussing whether a 1600 master could sign off chief mate assessments. It seems that there is no specific reason why they could not. They are mgmt level STCW. That would be an excellent option for someone working supply boat. Be interesting to see if NMC evaluator would approve such a thing.[/QUOTE]
They can’t. Unlike OICNW, the chief mate/master assessments are for greater than 1600 GRT/3000 GT. A master not more than 16000 GRT is not qualified to work on a vessel over 1600 GRT.
[QUOTE=Jeffrox;84545]So as a 2nd mate 1600 Master you could sign off your own CM/M assessments!?[/QUOTE]
No, they can’t. The chief mate master assessments are for over 1600 GRT. A 2nd mate/master 1600 is not qualified to serve as chief mate or master on a vessel over 1600 GRT/3000 GT.
I stand corrected. That didnt sound right to me that a 1600 master could sign off a C/M candidate.
Good “next question” Capt Brian. I betcha the correct answer is that OSV 6000 is an OSV designation only and therefore cannot sign off a C/M assessment.
Actually a Master 6000 OSV can sign off the CM/M assessments on an OSV over 3000 tons, since he is qualified to operate the vessel, and the vessel qualifies, as it is over the tonnage minimum.
But as you know not all the assessments are likely be done on an OSV, for example docking the Vessel with a tug assist comes to mind.
[QUOTE=Capt Leigh;84933]Actually a Master 6000 OSV can sign off the CM/M assessments on an OSV over 3000 tons, since he is qualified to operate the vessel, and the vessel qualifies, as it is over the tonnage minimum.
But as you know not all the assessments are likely be done on an OSV, for example docking the Vessel with a tug assist comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
That’s true, I had some assessments completed on other vessels than OSVs. But most can be completed on an OSV over 3,000 ITC.
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;84978]That’s true, I had some assessments completed on other vessels than OSVs. But most can be completed on an OSV over 3,000 ITC.[/QUOTE]