If any of the regulars replying this thread knows any 16 year olds, home schooled, public schooled or private schooled, send them a text or email. Analyze their reply & grammar and compare it to the OP’s. Notice anything different? Spin the wheels all you want but this car ain’t moving. That’s why I quit participating. From the sentence structure, the OP is a Gen X’er IMO.
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Hey, I’m a Gen X’r and I’m normal. haha I just snuck in at the last minute.
He’s a Gen Z - “Zoomer”.
Remember, if you do ANY kind of federal job, boats or not, your Navy time counts toward your pension. You get in the Navy at 18 and at age 58 you have 40 years in.
Also get a job on any kind of boat ASAP. You may find out you love it or utterly hate it. You also have no idea what it is like to be in a confined space with someone you hate with no way out until it happens.
Not by his grammar & sentence structure. Also, he is the one who brought up the “home school” topic & I guess wants to discuss or debate the stereotypical stigmas associated with it? No one bit the hook but he brought it up again, arguing against a point that no one mentioned. I know & I’m related to homeschoolers, that’s not their thing (nor their grammar). The worn out hawespiper/academy grad debate is now only suitable for nom de plume discussions. IMO, you guys are trading barbs with a senior mate, working 6 & 6 with a lot of time on his hands. To the OP, if I’m right, after all the fun & games are over, please kind heartly give me a thumbs up. If I’m wrong or you’re too committed to admit it, just give me the same FU that you gave tengineer1.
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Sounds like this guy should just use all his skills to work on land. Going out to sea isn’t worth it these days.
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Looks like proper assesment Bro. Found it unbelievable how 17 year old kid could play with old salts with his bs and they bought it.
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This!
Believe me, you want to stay on land. Learn a trade. Plumbing, HVAC, electrical, something.
I started working on the water at 16, before I graduated high school. I’m 42 now. I wish I had not gone this route.
Yes, and I’m still a newbie to the industry. I have been sailing since 2023 (23 years old at the time). My credentials expire in 2028 and I’ll let them do just that - expire.
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No troll. We ain’t cool.
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I was homeschooled and private schooled and can attest that sailing changed my worldview for the better. I have so much more empathy and understanding of folks with different backgrounds than I would have had I followed my original path and not gone to sea and travelled.
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So because I was taught better then most gen z kids and the primary people I associate with, my parents, are gen x’ers, so I talk like them, I’m suddenly a gen x’er? I’ve dealt with this on other forums and I’m tired of it. I’m a gen z 15-year-old, do you want a f***ing picture?
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All right. Fine. I ain’t being a troll, I’m just getting annoyed at all the people who are ignoring what I’m trying to say and just giving me advice on how I should pivot completely.
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There’s why I don’t want to go to the academy. If I find out, like you have, that I don’t like being in MSC, I don’t want to have spent 4 years on an academy cert that I’ll never use.
Look, @Sand_Pebble @tengineer1 @spowiednick and @Kingrobby , if you don’t like me and think I’m ignoring good advice, stay out of my thread. If you think I don’t even need the advice, definitely stay out of my thread, stick to your own. If you’re not going to give the advice that I’m looking for, please, I’m asking nicely, just don’t comment.
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Have you looked into sailing aboard a NOAA ship?
My understanding is NOAA Ships often have a friendlier culture than many MSC ships. Almost all the sailing for NOAA is domestic but it is a good entry level gig and NOAA is decent about providing training, especially the basics.
I feel like NOAA would be a lot more of a forgiving environment than MSC to start out in, especially when young and with little to no sailing experience.
I do not know how it works in J. A. bubble to start a career at sea at any rank. But on my planet before I was allowed to do exams in academy (math, phisics, foreign language) I had to obtain an evaluation from a psychiatrist in the same institution that examines navy personnel and future fighter pilots.
Only then I was allowed to go through exams. After passing exams all candidates had to spend three months on a three masted sailing vessel (frigate) where we were subjected to rigorous semi military training in discipline, obedience, respect to higher rank and respect to elders.
Out of 150 only abt 100 survived to continue on the first semester.
The drop outs were pussies, mama’s boys, still attached to mama’s tits absolutely not fit for sea service and sea life.
From my practical experience with multinational, multireligion, multi racial crews under FOC (7 flags) in command of 50+ vsls and sea career starting 1977 on a/m frigate and since 1982 on commercial vsls as an officer, having written a large number of evaluations, promotions etc, etc I think I am fairly fit to issue the following opinion.
This individual should visit a psychiatrist as a first step in his career planning.
Judging by what he produced here, he is not mentally fit for rigorous seafaring discipline and environment.
On any of my ships his next port would be airport with such a level of arrogance and ignorance and inability to listen.
And I am surprised that none of old salts here much more fitted then me due to their local J. A. experience could spit it out right into the face of this individual who seem not to comprehend that even as a messman he will have to undergo various trainings including the equivalents of basic STCW and he can stick his all home schooling and all his fishing, hunting, jerking off skills where the sun does not shine.
With such an attitude every mentor (even if he gets one), will end up in mental institution. I do not see any reason for such a waste of valuable mentors.
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You don’t know me, you only know what I’ve said here. What exactly have I “produced here” that makes me unfit for seafaring life? I have no issue with education and training, I just don’t want to go to the dang academy! What part of that do you not understand?! DO you even believe this, or are you just bashing the new guy?
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Suggestion to visit a qualified licenced institution to obtain evaluation of fitness is not bashing.
It is a good advise based on practical experience.
I am not saying you are mental case. I am saying not all are fit to go to sea.
Oilers, motorman or other support ranks in the E/R are not all academy guys but some are .
I was an o/s during 9 months on gen cargo vsl. The worst thing that can happen to master or senior officers is to have a crew component consisting of guys with so called “amputated souls” .
They are a clear and present danger to the crew, ship/cargo safety , life.
Some call them rotten apples, trouble makers or workplace demons due to their mental construct.
Hence such mental check helps a lot. For further advise others with J. A. environment experience must join here as I am out not having their competencies/experience.
I would never join this thread with my advise direct to you, was it not for your @spowiednick call out in your previous.
Action generates reaction. Simple as that.
Meantime good luck in whatever wild goose you are chasing.
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Now my advise.
RE Irritating users U do not want or they piss you off hugely.
Click your profile
Hit users tab
Follow instruction as per pic below
Simple as that.
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FYG. Link blow should of course be treated with caution as some items are either exaggerated or not exactly true. However in this AI analyses there is no BASHING my Dear.
At 17 or about all the bashing you will receive is still ahead of you and at this stage you can not possibly judge it’s intensity. . So choose wisely.
FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY and honesty the conclusion is below:
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Veering off topic