You are 100% correct. I’ve edited my response to this thread. I’ll be sure to run all my posts by you in the future. We don’t want people who post unnecessary comments.
I’m sure those kids are gonna learn a ton. Whether they’re sitting at the dock in Castine or sitting at the dock in Searsport. This is the kind of hands on learning the academy prides itself on. I know those kids are getting real value for their money.
I was wondering how long it would take for your TDS to come out.
No one learns shit on the training ship anyways. My understanding is this is just a way to get Seniors their sea time so they can get their license. If they’ve already done their commercial cruise then they’ve learned all they can from a shipboard cadet perspective. If my options were 60 days at the pier or another semester of school, I’m picking the 60 days at the pier. Whether the Academy “prides themselves“ on that or not doesn’t matter, at least they’re getting these kids out as close to on time as they can. Third mate/Engineer license is a learners permit anyways. Any Captain or Chief who gets a fresh third out of school and expects them to be a seasoned officer is delusional.
I was more interested in the MSD usage. A little surprised they don’t have sewage shore connection. Doesn’t Maine Maritime typically house cadets on the ship pier side year round? The article says it’s the same as Castine pumping their treated sewage effluent into the harbor, but does the T/S really just pump their treated MSD effluent overboard at the pier year round? Sounds great for the water quality. Boston learned that lesson decades ago and pumps theirs miles out.
As for the pier-side sea days…I personally think from an educational realism standpoint even anchoring a few miles out is better than remaining tied up. If nothing else to give an ever so slight consequence to the training. But realistically, I get sea days whether my ship is underway or tied up (or high and dry for that matter), so at this point why shouldn’t they? Not to mention all colleges and states are going to hit a financial hole due to the current pandemic, so it really doesn’t make fiscal sense spend any unnecessary cash/cost/fuel to move the ship.
The kids are paying for a real training cruise. They damn well ought to get it, or get some of their money back.
Lawyers are going to be busy with class action lawsuits against colleges that are charging full price but only delivering half the agreed upon training.
Many colleges were in financial trouble anyway. A lot of colleges will be closing for good. Coronavirus is the final push off the cliff.
They moved the ship yesterday to the Sprague Energy dock in Searsport. Be there for a few more weeks. The towns noise limit was 50 decibels. Ship recorded at 53 decibels. My dishwasher is rated at 50 decibels, can’t hear it in the next room. One resident stated that the $100 per day fine was not enough for a ship worth “Billions”… SMFH
“Every sound has a decibel level associated with it. If an item is 52 dB(A), then it has a sound similar in intensity to a electric fan, hair dryer, a running refrigerator and a QUIET street.” [emphasis added]
Without prejudice to the question of whether people should have known what to expect, do you want someone running a hair dryer a meter away from your open window in the middle of the night? I’d find that annoying.
Big mistake for the academy to back down and move the ship out of town. The whiners and complainers were victorious. Now they will never stop until they drive the academy, or at least the ship out of town.
Saying this is like buying a house next to an airport is incorrect. Anyone who had inquired would have learned that the ship was on shore power for 10 months out of the year and gone for the other 2. They also might have learned there was a noise ordanance in town. How many years has the shore power then cruise routine been the norm?
It’s not like they could’ve known a global pandemic would’ve forced the academy to sit there DGs running mid summer.
The residents don’t have a right to complain because your dishwasher is quiet?
No, the school bean counters figured out it was cheaper to park it instead of doing a coastal US cruise and somehow managed to get the CG to agree to counting dock time as seatime.
They could at least have anchored out someplace with a parking lot nearby for an ambulance if “safety” really was a concern.
The “residents” (probably, mostly summer residents) have a right to complain, but they don’t have the right to chase the ship off the academy dock and out of town.
What’s next, stopping academy football games because the cheering and noise is over 50db?
The way I hear it, the academy kids have been getting “seatime” standing gangway watch, chipping and painting, and living aboard, at the dock for a long time. The entire “training ship” concept has been a joke for a long time.
Underway time riding on the overcrowded, do nothing, training ship is damn near worthless anyway.
Maybe if the football games were 24/7 for 60 days.
I don’t think the residents chased them out of town, I think it was the publicity stink around the whole scam. It makes the school and CG look like frauds. There isn’t much difference between this scam and buying term papers.
I guess they should have went to anchor.
They could have skipped the charade and just handed the students tablets preloaded with a powerpoint presentation titled ‘Life at Sea’.