Any ideas as to the ramifications of this?
We’ll see in a year or more…
Wow, something smart for once. I new the DNV cert would not be recognized industry wide. I wonder why they thought it would. A win for us.
why merge it just get rid of the DNV course and everybody’s happy
Did anyone bother to ask how much the DNV course is?
its just a money making scam
[QUOTE=powerabout;121392]why merge it just get rid of the DNV course and everybody’s happy
Did anyone bother to ask how much the DNV course is?
its just a money making scam[/QUOTE]
EDIT
I believe there will be a retraction of that made up story I mean press release by the con men that fed it.
The DNV scheme has been given the kiss of death by the charterers ( once they found out you could become certified without having ever set foot on a DP vessel) so I guess the NI doesn’t want or need anything to do with it and rightly so.
I think is has been looked at as a money making con perpetrated by several companies that are owned by a certain nordic government
My understanding of the current NI scheme is that it presents a risk to those sailors w/ NI DP tickets that are infrequently in DP, i.e. shuttle tankers.
As an example, a newly minted watchkeeper sailing aboard a shuttle tanker may only see 6 - 8 days of DP per 30 day shift ergo 6 - 8 days x 6 months = 36 to 48 dp time per year. At that rate, you’d have your full DP ticket in 4 - 5 years. I have no experience sailing aboard a supply boat but my guess is that those vessels have a significantly higher ratio of dp/seatime.
I’m not sure what the answer is. That being said, does this parity between one type of vessel versus another type of vessel, in terms of Time To Maintain/Receive DP License, make sense?
Autopilot also counts as DP time
Autopilot counts as dp time. Are you using your bow thruster on autopilot at 10 knots? Underway at 10 knots is not dp no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
OK if that’s what you want to think…
Retracted…
If you query the NI, they will tell you that auto pilot does not count as DP time. Mmmkayy.
Autopilot does not count towards DP watch keeping time. I already went through this with NI about the logging of DP time while using a autopilot as a function of your DP system. Basically what I got from them was that if you’re not doing a complete setup or the DPOS is not operating in its intended class then it doesn’t count. If you have a DP-2 system, and the consequence analysis can’t be turned on because you’re only using your mains and rudders then your system is effectively operating as a DP-0 vessel, in which case the time doesn’t count.
Try your luck by counting the time, but I would get confirmation from NI that it qualifies; especially if your trying to get a limited or unlimited certificate.
[QUOTE=“Capt. Phoenix;122530”]
If it’s using the DP system it’s DP time. It doesn’t have to use all the thrusters.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for that. Maybe I should have been a little clearer.
If you really think running in autopilot is the same as dp. It doesn’t matter what the N.I.says. The person will just get creative with their seatime letter and claim it was all DP2 time anyway.
dont forget your vessel still needs to be on a contract that specifies DP
May as well get creative with seatime too. Either way the person who bullshits their time - for DP or anything for that matter - will get screwed if they get caught with suspect watch keeping time.
[QUOTE=BPB1981;122557]May as well get creative with seatime too. Either way the person who bullshits their time - for DP or anything for that matter - will get screwed if they get caught with suspect watch keeping time.[/QUOTE]
and the people that signed the documents if they happen to have a DP ticket
Following up on my earlier question “Does current NI scheme make sense?” I can see folks in this thread have similar issues and may resort to creative ways get that DP time.
Would you say this is similar to what you’ve seen out there?
[QUOTE=tchalla;122611]Following up on my earlier question “Does current NI scheme make sense?” I can see folks in this thread have similar issues and may resort to creative ways get that DP time.
Would you say this is similar to what you’ve seen out there?[/QUOTE]
The problem is the charters who are also pressing the NI say they want competent DPO’s, your only going to become competent with a company that has plans to make you competent - as in onboard.
Therefore the license is not only designed just for you to get a piece of paper
DNV says we have solved it, 2 weeks in a sim, ok that would help but thats going to cost you maybe 30K, prefer that method?