Nicely put Highball! I was just up at Fire School and was thinking the same thing.
[QUOTE=Highball;55385]Listen:
I have been on my first ship (AKE) for about two months now. And I just want to take this opportunity to tell you all how much I HATE MSC.
Homesteaders? Shipâs leave? Complacency? What the hell are you talking about? Homesteader or not all these people are lazy, incompetent, fetal-alcohol syndrome mongoloid babies. Civilian Mariner! Huh! There arent even any real mariners on this ship, just a bunch of Norfolk people who needed jobs. Im surprised they could even type up their KSAs to get the job. They must have gone to some kind of education help center and had a mentor compose their application package.
The ship is actually filthy. But because it is not anyones specific job to clean the built-up crud out of the corners of the halls, it just stays there. Most of these ABs I dont know how they even passed their physicals. Practically no overtime unless you are a bosun mate, in which case its all good cause you will get paid to stand around for five hours after work with the three other bosun mates making negligable adjustments on the stream rig. No opportunity to learn anything for the new guys who might still have some semblance of a work-ethic. And on top of that a bunch of stupid, military-style rules meant to control simple-minded people. People keep telling me âits easyâ, " Just stick with it, do your job. Its easy." EASY! I didnât start working on the water for it to be easy! I wanted decent pay, to respect myself and my fellow mariners, and a challenge. In short, regardless of all these supposed problems with the management and structure of MSC, I think you all suck and are a bunch of brown-nosing, thumb-sucking, no opposable digits-possessing, fairweather non-mariners.
Get a job on a tugboat or something![/QUOTE]
âThatâs good. You have taken your first step into a larger world.ââObi-Wan Kenobi
Sounds like things are really FUBAR at MSC. I can read between the lines, another social program that encourages mediocracy.
Iâve been around 20+ years and itâs the worst itâs ever been. I canât wait to be done. Iâve given up!
I have attended several classes with contract marinerâs and civilian mariners. I am amazed at the gung ho effect on behalf of the contract mariners. Recently in freehold this was even more evident than before. I was getting pissed at putting away all the fire hoses and other gear. In a class in San Diego couldnât believe they had people walk out in the beginning, come back before lunch, text during the whole class etc. I imagine this isnât the case but man, see it in almost all the class I have been in.
Well, you get good and bad in both worlds. Iâve seen some really useless mariners in the commercial world as well. True, over the last few years I had anything to do with Msc the seamanship dwindled significantly. One reason was the program to take supply entry ratings and make them into able seamen. Not a bad idea, but the problem is Msc then wound up with a ton of able seamen on deck that could not rig a bosn chair, steer a ship or paint for that matter. ( or in some cases speak English). Gone are the career ABâs. I think industry wide these days we have a generation that have work ethic issues. Most entry ratings think they should be making top wages on the second day of employment and not only in the Maritme industry.
[QUOTE=Xmsccapt(ret);55576]Well, you get good and bad in both worlds. Iâve seen some really useless mariners in the commercial world as well. True, over the last few years I had anything to do with Msc the seamanship dwindled significantly. One reason was the program to take supply entry ratings and make them into able seamen. Not a bad idea, but the problem is Msc then wound up with a ton of able seamen on deck that could not rig a bosn chair, steer a ship or paint for that matter. ( or in some cases speak English). Gone are the career ABâs. I think industry wide these days we have a generation that have work ethic issues. Most entry ratings think they should be making top wages on the second day of employment and not only in the Maritme industry.[/QUOTE]
There was conflict of interest when MSC started their own AB school which did itâs own testing.
Well, yes and no. They still had to pass the USCG test.
Proctors never leave to go to the head or refresh coffee? Iâm not saying it happens at this or any particular school except to agree that the fox shouldnât guard the hen house.
Id be curious why there are so few âqualifiedâ or âbest qualifiedâ candidates on the civmar promotion lists. Was really looking forward to applying after finishing school
The reason there are so few on the lists is that all the underpinnings of the Merit Promotion System were kicked away by the retired naval officers MSC continues to hire at an astounding rate into high GS positions who bring zero civilian maritime experience with them. In that vacuum of leadership experienced in the past several years, a failed evaluation system called Mariner Advancement Program (MAP) was developed by a guy no one had ever listened to before that was going to make all promotions a simple matter of looking at numbers between 1 and 5 with all mariners starting as 3âs. The instructions actually say âComments are not required or desiredâ so instead of being able to determine if someone is qualified for promotion, all you have are a whole bunch of 3âs. That decimated the quality of the promotion boards across the ranks.
Very true. I remember when the new and improved eval system came into play. The captain that organized this for years harped on a new eval system. Finally he got the ear of someone in the office and after they stroked his ego he soon became an office boy. I have always been amazed at how soon âfellowâ mariners turn against their own kind when spending time ashore in the office. Not all, but more times than not. The new eval system was supposed to make it easier to evaluate employees for promotion. In the past hopefuls would send in a packet of evals, along with other info, even a resume. This of course would take days for the promotion board members to digest. We sure could not have that, so this new system came a out. Problem is, itâs hard to see the Delta, when all players evaluated appear to be about the same level of competence. How then do you promote one over the other? Simple, attach a resume and add more paper⌠Full circle! Great plan!
MSFSCVA
why do they run job fairs so often when there are few openings?
Horatio
[QUOTE=Horatio;56209]MSFSCVA
why do they run job fairs so often when there are few openings?
Horatio[/QUOTE]Its the government. Why would you expect them to do anything that makes sense?
To pick the ones they want. It makes sense from the business standpoint.
You are assuming there is a plan⌠There is no plan, trust me on this one. One hand does not speak to the other, itâs a typical US government operation. Even in an office setting such is the case with MSC shore offices, when you have people working next to one another they donât communicate. So why would anyone expect the hiring division go communicate with the other departments. There is no reasoning with MSC, just actions and reactions,