You replied/commented re my:
with:
Hence : idk what that has to do with what I have said above?
If You disagree or have objection to what I have said be so kind to refute/rebut it proving it is a false statement .
Without it I may be tempted to ask I think a valid question paraphrasing yours :
Do you have much time working with your brains ?
No offence meant of course , so hit me then with your I presume , overwhelming experiece.
My experience of grape
Coffee first. My experience of grappling was recovering defence instrumentation and mooring equipment.
The first item was laid using horizontal sextant angles (all we had) and positioned our selves by the same method to snag a wire tail 200 metres long on the end, the gear being relatively light.
As far as the offshore industry was concerned the gear was much heavier. At Christmas Island the buoys on the mooring system had been driven into deep water during a hurricane and imploded with the weight of cable.
We tore one of the flukes off one grapnel made of 50mm plate and pulled a tangled mess of chain, two anchors and counter weights forming a mountain about 20 feet high weighing about 60 tonnes
.https://youtu.be/5zn65FqPsOg?si=0vBcB_H87Cv3AHub
For all those (like me) who have no experience from working on cable ships, here is an episode from Mighty Ships about one such vessel:
https://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x5ttfz
The Resolution was built in Singapore for Tyco as the first of a series of six vessels:
https://atlantic-cable.com/Cableships/Tyco/index.htm#gsc.tab=0
PS> As can be seen from the equipment list these vessels were designed in Norway, with a lot of the machinery and equipment supplied from there.
Judging from this photo looks like that dragging that modified anchor would have a good chance of snagging a cable in it’s path.
That’s assuming the cable is not buried. A more traditional design might be better for buried cable.
The photo shows the second chain link as bent, the third link could not hold and opened…
What could be the reason to modify the anchor to NOT hold the ship in place?
The third link MAY well have been a Kenter Link:
The Owner’s Lawyer demand the ship realest:
I took a few photos of submarine cable samples a client sent when they were consulting with us about an equipment purchase. It was neat to see and I fortunately still have the photos. I don’t know what size were cut in the Baltic but larger size was had a larger diameter than my forearm.
Were these deliberatly cut for repair/recovery, or showing result of accidental cuts by whatever means,for whatever reason?
I don’t know much about how it was sourced but by the time the cable was in my shop it had been cut in to multiple short segments for shipping. Most of the cuts appeared to have been made by very large shears shoreide. The client is in the South Pacific and I’m at a West Coast, US manufacturer of equipment for a recycling process.
An emerging consensus among U.S. and European security services holds that accidents were the cause of damage to Baltic seabed energy and communications
lines.
Source: https://wapo.st/3Wtuf5t (Gift article, No paywall)
PS> Now comes the claims of reimbursement for the delays suffered by the ships that was detained for weeks.
Where did the claim that the vessel detained by Sweden had a full suite of communications equipment to spy on NATO forces?
Lloyd’s List:
Negative Sir!!!
I am astonished that 3 top dogs of this forum with decades of experiences on >>3000Grt ships of different types liked/hearted your comment/conclusion.
It is not and it was not bent shackle.
It was the swivel. As per below pics.
Agree with KC
Waiting patiently for some ETO who so eloquently rattled on Dali electrical problems to debunk the alleged spying equipment story requiring so much energy/power that it caused blackouts.
I still entirely lack the imagination for a vessel to drag their anchor at this depth of water for 50 miles, either without any crewmember noticing, or by accident ‘in good faith’…
This is the reason for the ‘like’
I don’t understand the part about the damage and I don’t see that any damage or lack of damage (to parts of the chain) is even relevant or why it’s being discussed.
EDIT: Apparently it’s believed that the anchor was not modified but damaged.
This is from 2 days ago:
From the article:
Finnish National Bureau of Investigation inspector Sami Liimatainen, who is involved in the ongoing inquiry aboard Eagle S, gave a dismissive reply when asked about the Post’s accidental-damage explanation. “I’m not even going to comment on that, I’ll leave the information from foreign newspapers at their own value. The Finnish National Police is investigating the crime,” Liimatainen told YLE. “Crimes are being investigated and solved. Nothing has changed.”
Eagle S’s lost port anchor was recovered from the bottom of the Baltic at the end of a 50-mile drag track, at the location where the ship was intercepted by Finnish forces. In order to start the drag track by accident, the Eagle S would have to lower and then secure her port anchor accidentally mid-voyage, without the crew’s knowledge, and without the anchor running away. Then, over the course of a 50-mile transit, the crew would have to overlook the effects of the port anchor dragging on the bottom at 6-10 knots.
The YLE article:
I am not, and have never been, a conspiracy theorist. But Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, and he was one of the “new oligarchy” at the Inauguration yesterday. Is tRump already trying to pander to Russia?
“” Both Toveri and naval expert Mike Plunkett also make the point that it’s hard to believe the crew of a vessel would not notice its anchor was dragging along the sea bed — especially for distances of up to 100km.
"Aside from a very loud splash, there will also be a lot of noise from the anchor chain paying out through the hawse hole," Plunkett said. “”
Calling out : @Kennebec_Captain & @ombugge -local forum experts and all others who have expert knowlege from experience on 150-350 mtrs Loa vessels.
Surely U did not let go anchor at 6-10 kts but somewhere btw 0-2 kts .
Have You ever heard very loud anchor splash as the geniuses quoted above claim ??
Hose hole sounds like ASSHOLE does it not??
Sure thing chain clanging in the hose pipe can be heard from the bridge.
I have some issues with all his articles but to stop some who may think I am some kind of denier I consider the theories , this particular event (Eagle S) was accidental due to poor maintenance and crew errors due to lack of training as a pure BS and nonsense.
Can anybody confirm or agree the anchor chain links have dia of abt 50-60 mm as in shown in article’s pictures. ??? and that anchor weight for Panamax Eagle S is of about 11 Mt .???
Added 22.01.25
Have some issues with pictures contained in many of the articles. Photo material/evidence may be from investigators or other sources due to leaks and editors have no other choice but deal/use what they get .
In 2023 Finish mariime Sherlock Holmes released pics to the press of recovered damaged anchor that allegedly hit the pipe line. Pics below:
For expert and non-expert viewers the pic is worth a 1000 words and what you see is what you get. All is clear . One fluke broken , other possibly bent , almost whole stock missing due to catastrophic material failure. No questiones asked.
But in Eagle S case the pics I have found surprisingy show only one fluke but in the text of Maritime Executive it is clearly said that both are shorter due to some reason. I can hardly believe those who made these pics had no chance to make a pic showing both flukes . Suspect professional investigators would make lots of pics from different angles and not from only one side to prove one point or the other . a) intentionaly shortened or b) due to impact and external forces.
Strange coincidence IMO. Is the condition and appearance of hidden fluke a matter of Finnish or NATO security or what?? , that they are not willing or unable to reveal it like in above earlier case?
The blunt edges of the visible fluke could suggest intentional modification according to first published by scribblers theories .
But here is a last pic with the new theory that the flukes were broken while dragging
Another perspective showes the size of the anchor is not so impressive :
And what a bad luck. Canot see the other fluke yet again. What is this they try to hide or is it a coincidence??
More to come with strange bottom tracks that prompted me to ask the question Quo Vadis? ENE , EbN or may be WSW or WbS or even WbN??? Who knows??
