[QUOTE=ForkandBlade;102624]It’s not the question of crossing the picket line and working as a scab, It’s that somebody that did break a union and is now a delegate with the same union. Goes to show how weak Local 333 has become.[/QUOTE]
If this is who I am thinking of he was Deckhand on the Elisabeth. My Brother was mate on her had IIRC he was his deckhand. I remember giving him a ride home after a long night of Picket Duty and he lived in the Atlantic Highlands Area on New Jersey, (Sandy Hook or Red Bank I think). As vocal as he was on the lines I am surprised to hear that he Scabbed and I need to talk to my Brother to see if he remembers anything.
I’ll tell you exactly who it is. Mike Riordan. He was decking during the lockout for Moran. A captain who I worked for (who also was a scab) said he was his deckhand during.
[QUOTE=ForkandBlade;102655]I’ll tell you exactly who it is. Mike Riordan. He was decking during the lockout for Moran. A captain who I worked for (who also was a scab) said he was his deckhand during.[/QUOTE]
I know what the name is. My question is does my description of him sound right?
“There’s some kind of law that when a union is voted down or out, there is a waiting period, 18 or 24 months before talks can even start with another union. not sure if it’s all unions or just the ones affilated with the AFL-CIO. You need to check that out.[/QUOTE]”
There isn’t a law that requires a one-year waiting period after you vote to decertify your union. It’s a rule established by the AFL-CIO long ago to put an end to unions raiding each other.
You can vote one union out and another union in, all in one vote. Just like the employee’s at K-Sea/Kirby did with the RTBU. Moran and Reinauer employee’s can vote 333 out and vote in RTBU in the same election. The advantage is the employer cannot change the terms and conditions of your employment without negotiation. If you vote 333 and don’t vote another union in, your employer is free to do anything they please.
Best choice is dump 333, join RTBU, and eventually roll into a real maritime union or create your own union and negotiate for yourselves. With all of the attempts at reform in 333 over the years, attempting yet another reform of 333 is naive and doomed to failure.
Maybe one of you people can put me in touch with your organizers so we can talk. We have done everything you have been talking about and have decertified from MEBA in January . We have a new union comprised of our own members the ISAWU and are negotiating now. Steve Robbins President ISAWU 508 221 3133
[QUOTE=Lookout;103845]"
There isn’t a law that requires a one-year waiting period after you vote to decertify your union. It’s a rule established by the AFL-CIO long ago to put an end to unions raiding each other.
You can vote one union out and another union in, all in one vote. Just like the employee’s at K-Sea/Kirby did with the RTBU. Moran and Reinauer employee’s can vote 333 out and vote in RTBU in the same election. The advantage is the employer cannot change the terms and conditions of your employment without negotiation. If you vote 333 and don’t vote another union in, your employer is free to do anything they please.
Best choice is dump 333, join RTBU, and eventually roll into a real maritime union or create your own union and negotiate for yourselves. With all of the attempts at reform in 333 over the years, attempting yet another reform of 333 is naive and doomed to failure.[/QUOTE]
We joined MEBA years ago as unlicensed group along with Chiefs who are licensed. We were mesmerized by the schooling,retirement and health they were getting. We were told and assumed that if we joined we would get these benefits also.What we got was this JOB LOSS-The Chiefs continued to get better raises and retirement while the unlicensed lost more jobs,raises etc… We did not get anything no schooling,retirement or health. Yet we got to pay dues for years . We are down to minimum manning while MEBA continued to do deals with the company that would benefit just the engine room guys. So we the unlicensed determined to try and fix our problems finally got tired of it collected cards and kicked out MEBA .They did not take it seriously until the very end when they finally sent representatives down to stop it. By then it was to late. We now have our own union.