All true, but note the modern approach to accident investigation had a lot of input from the pilots themselves. The industry at one time was happy enough to blame them for everything, seeing as how they were dead and weren’t going to complain in person.

I misunderstood your post. I took it to mean that pilots had made significant contributions to modern accident theory, something I have not come across. In order for the pilot unions to push for alternative explanations to simple pilot error those explanations, the framework to understand, have t…

[image] “The Captains of Thor — What Really Caused the Loss of the SS El Faro” by Robert Frump if airspeed was allowed to decay too far the engines could not spool up in time to save the airplane at low altitudes. That is a bit disingenuous. The cause of those crashes was due to pilots doing “…

This article: Air Safety: The “Deadly” Boeing 727 doesn’t mention any input from pilot or the unions but from the public and congress. This was the fix: In response, the FAA required the airlines to make changes to their training procedures and their flight manuals to stress the importance of sta…

This thread about the NTSB and aviation is interesting. My impression is that the NTSB does a good job with aviation accidents and with equipment/engineering failures on ships, but they are weak on ship maneuvering issues.

Summary of NTSB findings on the Jul 2017 incident at San Francisco, where an Air Canada flight almost landed on an occupied taxiway instead of the runway. Aviation Herald As is often the case in professional sites, some of the comments are interesting. Official NTSB Report here . Cheers, Earl

It appears that Boeing has now subscribed to the Airbus theory of flight control systems, which is that the robot is smarter than the pilot. The problem is that when the robot gets an erroneous sensor reading it acts without the pilot’s knowledge. In the case of the Lion Air 737 Max, this apparently…

I should have saved the link, the article I read about this said the recommended action in this case is for the pilot to pull back as hard as he can. This while the stall alarm is sounding.

This is going to make for a very interesting accident report: Both Engines Shut Down on 787 Damn lucky they had 8K feet of runway to use when something that absolutely positively cannot happen … happens. Earl

What wasn’t mentioned was how much fuel was onboard once they landed. Hope they weren’t flying on fumes.

[image] Chief_Seadog: Hope they weren’t flying on fumes. A subsequent inspection revealed no faults with the engines but the website says a service bulletin issued by Boeing warned that mishandling the thrust reverse controls can cause the Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation system, whic…

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NYT article on the Lion Air crash and MCAS:

737 MCAS

Not the Boeing I knew.

Earl

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