Modern Accident Theory,Investigations and Aviation


#29

You’re joking, right?


#30

Most of the film went down with the ship. Coaster was actually filmed on a different vessel. I cannot remember which one. The owner/captains had zero sailing or command experience. The loss of the vessel was well predicted far in advance, and completely unnecessary.


#33

I watched it a long time ago but I believe the film was saved:

the nine aboard and 3,600 feet of film were saved by two helicopters from the 106th Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Group.

‘‘Two large jolly green giants appeared in the sky,’’ Mr. Cloutier said. ‘‘The last thing to go into one helicopter was my film.’’ Fifty thousand dollars worth of photographic equipment was left on the ship.


#34

Typical large, long-lasting organizations appear to be more screwed up than they are because we observe and judge their performance on the margins.

For example I observe one of the members of the school board is an idiot but I overlook regulated utilities delivering power to my house , mail get delivered to my house, GPS on my phone, NWS weather on the TV, paved roads with signage in front of my house, I dial 911 someone shows up, etc.

A lot has to happen behind the scenes for all that to happen.


#35

NYT article on the Lion Air crash and MCAS:

737 MCAS

Not the Boeing I knew. :frowning_face:

Earl


#36

To many of us old “walked uphill both ways to the airport and then used our shirts to patch the wing” pilots, we seem to have a modern trend of automation trying to counteract a lack of basic airmanship and then said automation goes wrong in ways the crew cannot figure out how to deal with*.
Even a relatively simple autopilot trim runaway is no fun to deal with. You need one hand to hold the yoke back with all your strength while mashing the trim disconnect, you run the trim back down with the other hand, and pull the circuit breaker for the trim motor with your third hand.

  • I am guessing there is a maritime equivalent to that for sure!

#37

Very interesting first-of-a-series article on the Lion Air crash by one of Prof. Leveson’s colleagues at MIT:

Lion Air Crash

Contradicts much of the internet chatter about the maintenance standards.

Cheers,

Earl