Military 2 Mariner

Maritime Employment
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I think his post indicates his current intent and focus is to satisfy the STCW OICEW (steam vessels) as outlined in NVIC 17-14 by using the simulator course option. I do not think he is aware of NVIC 19-14 and the possibility of using military assessors to signing off the STCW task assessments on his current using steam vessel.

As to his national license the consensus seems to be set for the appropriate steam examination. Once he is licensed then he should attend a Coast Guard Approved Crossover Diesel Course and request a modify his license.

My guidance to him is to focus on your National License and crossover options. Then concentrate on his OICEW for Steam and Motor. The regulations require that an applicant for STCW must hold the appropriate National Endorsement. e.g., 1st A/E Steam & Motor with STCW OICEW Steam & Motor Endorsement.

This will enhance your employment possibilities as mentioned in this thread.

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I’m aware now. Have a link to the form to get signed off here:

https://www.cool.osd.mil/usn/pubs/NVIC_17_14_OICEW_blank.pdf

Looks like I’ll get this done asap.
Thank you.

I have a pretty decent understanding of the course requirements but not so well read up on NVIC yet.

If I was in the U.S. I’d have went to the REC center or if I see a ship I’d head up there to ask questions.

So the advice and info here has been really helpful. Thank you.

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One third of the total, so 120 days is correct.

It does matter.

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It’s unlikely the would be able (don’t know anything) or be willing (“not muh jerb”) to help you–because all evaluation is done at the NMC now.

He got all (or nearly all) of his license qualifying time on unlimited ships. For him, the HP of the 120days on motor vessel should not matter. I’ve never heard of a HP limitation being applied to a propulsion mode, have you?

Everyone else knows that HP matters for getting a licensed issued. That’s common knowledge.

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This is interesting and I’ve been
looking for the answer to this.

Does the OICEW Diesel Engine class at

  1. Maritime Institute in VA
  2. Maritime Professional Training FL
  3. San Jacinto College TX
  4. Star Center

They are calling these OICEW crossover courses and mention Sea Time, ETC it is to take that class.

If have to do the 120+ days I’d just get the NVIC sheet signed off and just jump on a ship at QMED level.

Been toiling over this
one for a few days.

If 120 days required I might be able to jump on a military ship and get that time done prior to getting out.

Perhaps a good question for NMC.
I’ll see what they say.

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Let us know what NMC says.

When I read the crossover checklist and 46 CFR 11.502 my interpretation of the regulatory language indicates that a naval engineer would need holding an officer endorsement as a e.g., Steam 3rd, 2nd or 1st A/E.

Then options 1-4 would kick in.

So my take away focuses on the possiblity that if military engineer applied and obtained a 3rd A/E license early on in their Naval service, then the crossover option 4.120 days observer time on a military ship having a different propulsion mode would be beneficial prior to departing the service. A workable solution.

As NMC is the ruling authority of licensing and credentialing their decision would be final.

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I read it that way too.
Lots of OR, OR, OR . . .
and mentions an approved course
at the end.

I’m assuming again that
those are the approved courses they list on the big file.

I’ve asked NMC this exact question and we will see what they say.

It appears to have lots of different options (too many) for the 4 months / 120 days

. . . and no options for other requirements like Engineroom Resource Management and a few others. My opinion is these should have options.

Experience, Sea time, should require exactly what that is . . . Meet the 120 days or 1,080 days or whatever the case may be.

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I agree with all the “or’s” but I have found it is better than having a bunch of “and’s”.

As you outline your journey for those who will consult this thread in the future, as I view it, they have three optional pathways for them to follow.

(1) In service option - Get a merchant mariners endorsement or license some where in your military mid-career position and build on while in the service.

As a engineer consider qualifying for:
(a) qualified engineering ratings e.g., National QMED and STCW Ratings and
(b) any engineering officer positions you qualify for or can qualify for while on active service and holding a MMC. Keep in mind that some positions may require training outside the military training structure.

This recommendation extends also to deck positions.

While in the service get all of the USCG Approved Military Training you can e.g., command essential training that is USCG approved or getting possible TAD orders to approved schools outside the command structure, then complete as many of the STCW shipboard assessments that are appropriate and related to you M2M goals.

Develop network resources that are familiar with USCG test procedures and potential examination topics and question styles. Look for ship’s officers that have attended the maritime academies. They may still have their USCG License Seminar Notes for Engineering or Deck.

(2) Getting Out - one year before departing collect copies all of your military records, the names of fellow service members that can provide assistance after you leave. Complete the USCG Application for everything that you qualify for. Start preparing for the credentialing/examination phase of your journey. Consider the possibility of attending a Maritime Academy. Start networking!!! Especially those ship’s officer that have attended the military academies.

(3) Retired / Been out for a while - File a Records Request SF-180 and look for assistance from reliable M2M resources.

Lastly scan or place everything you encounter on a thumb drive. Consider it as your Maritime Profession Briefcase. You will find it one of the most useful tools in design and maintaining your career from M2M.

Watch the expiration dates on your training certificates. They will vary depending on the nature or purpose of the course. Some have a one year expiration date which means you need to fill out a USCG application and get it on your MMC.

Hope all of this makes sense.

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It does I appreciate it.

Reading back through all the posts here on a laptop vs phone.

Lots of posts back in April and now
explains the path the path really well.