These are daily rates. 21/21
10 holidays -double day if on the boat.
Overtime is 2x hourly rate.
Longevity pay on top depending on how long you’ve been with the company.
No health insurance premium.
2% 401k match with annual 5% employer discretionary contribution.
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Thanks for the info. Do you know how much OT they typically get per week?
That’s comical!
First off, that’s NOT higher than my contract.
Second, how come MEBA deck jobs, for senior officers, are consistently on our board, OPEN? Must be a GREAT contract…
Third, the only reason we have 4 of the express ships is YOU can’t fill them.
Oh yeah, fourth… 98% of MMP contracts are 40 hour weeks.
Awesome!
Depends on the unit but most crews are working two 6 hr watches. Overtime applies if called out off watch. Generally infrequent for most positions except C/E when needed for fueling, high priority repairs/ maintenance etc.
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I’m surprised at how low the Kirby pay is, except for the overpaid “barge captains” ( meaning Tankermen).
Notice how small the annual increases are.
How do they get enough crew at these wages?
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What does 40hr weeks mean? The non union people are terrified!
I don’t see how a compare and contrast is negative. I feel it’s only right to point out the differences between the two especially when people might assume that just because MEBA and MMP utilize union halls that their systems are the same- they aren’t. I am not going to say unlike AMO every other sentence because I don’t have experience with the AMO process.
I have no problem with MMP mates I’ve sailed with and I am friends with many. Your leadership is a different story.
I’d say they as the MMP leadership is touching me and the entire industry near my back pocket and wallet!
AMO has been turning it around look at the TSP wages but MMP is going the wrong way and hurting the industry as a whole
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@Capt_O you just joined the Gcaptain forum how about actually offering some numbers and contribute to the forums rather than talk shit. We don’t need a troll.
I back my comments up with facts you backs your up with CAPITAL LETTERS.
Strictly day pay. Full day on/off which works out to an extra 8 days a year.
There is OT, at 2x your hourly rate (day rate/12) but it’s generally rare for anyone but ABs to see it. Also honestly not worth trading sleep most days
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Usually it’s not… and while you do share some valid and helpful information for newbies you also have a penchant for peppering that same info and commentary with complete bullshit. A compare and contrast might also work better if you’ve actually sailed with the other union instead of relying on complaints from people who may not have their shit together to begin with. No shortage of whiners out there in both unions who hate their lives until they top out their books and work comes by easier. I know MEBA mates too and even some of them are shaking their heads at your remarks.
Remind me again, what are you sailing as right now? Off the board or permanent?
Is this SIU kirby or that other union in ny that name escapes me at the moment?
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For tugs/atbs seems like competitive wages to me. Who’s paying more? Maybe crowley from what i hear for engineers at least.
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@MEBADeckie really? That’s it? You’re going to lean on the fact that I just joined? That must mean I have no experience, no knowledge… that’s comical.
Caps are for emphasis. If that offends your sensitivities, I apologize.
Furthermore, I did contribute to the thread that I first commented on (it wasn’t this one). I didn’t talk shit. You did.
Grow up.
Re-read my first ever post on the forum. It’s in a different thread. You responded to it with an emoji but I don’t think you actually ever read it.
@Capt_O still waiting on a contribution with substance from you. Let me help you out.
Your comment that
That seems like a number you just threw out there, care to clarify ?
Here I’ll even start a list and help you out. You can add to the list. Then add up the ships and get a number.
Don’t forget to show your math!
Maston - 40hour work week
APL - 40hr
Maersk- 40hr
Pasha- 40hr
SLNC- 84 hour work week
Seacor- 84hr
Patriot (tankers) - 84hr
I’m not going do the math for MEBA too to bottom ships because there’s only one deepsea contract that that doesn’t have a 40hour work week and that’s the Norwegian Cruise Line - Pride of America. It has a 56hr work week. Anything over 8 hours a day you get OT but that standard 16 hours OT for the weekend work you don’t get.
I don’t know which union, if any, has that wage scale, but the other union you are thinking of is
RTBU (Richmond Terrace Bargaining Unit)
Richmond Terrace is the street running along the KVK (Kill Van Kull) and Mariner’s Harbor on the north shore of Staten Island where many of the New York tug companies, including Kirby, are based.
Thank you for posting this Kirby wage scale. This is exactly the type of transparent and factual info that all mariners need to push for higher wages.
I guessing this is union because the Masters are not listed, and presumable as considered “management.”
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Thank you for posting the Manson wage scale.
I assume this is West Coast
IBU (Inland Boatmen’s Union).
The crew are all IBU (Capt’s are management). We don’t hire out of IBU, we hire and the crew joins the union. The majority of work is Gulf Coast, East Coast. All the major dredging companies are currently building new unlimited tonnage hopper dredges, it’s a very good time to get into the dredging industry!
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@MEBADeckie 
what a jackass. I better be gnats ass precise, on a forum for mariners…
Here:
ROUGHLY 57 ships on MMP contract. 6 with 84 hour weeks? 7? GOT ME! It’s closer to 90% than 98…sorry! Also important to note that the trade-off for those ships is if you don’t work the OT, you still get paid (say for instance, for STCW), and they have a higher day rate and IRAP contribution. Would I rather a 40 hour week? Yeah, is it awful? No.
I don’t feel the need to “contribute” to this thread. My number is higher than any other I’ve seen so far, and I don’t need to justify my wage to a MEBA flunkie. Only reason to join that union as a deck officer is MMP booted your ass…my guess is you’re ROS and couldn’t navigate your way out of a wet paper bag. Every MEBA mate I’ve ever encountered…