Do you by chance have to buy your own groceries?
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Remember the good old days when you could just post a payscale!
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Company supplies all the groceries and I make good enough money to retire comfortably at age 60, if i so choose. We have a really great group of folks both in the office and tugs, with little of the nastiness i read about on here.
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It’s funny to see that the drilling industry, at least where I am, is almost exactly 2010 pay. All the other companies are at least 10% more than of us. Definitely time to look elsewhere.
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What area is this in?
MMP might be the only union that doesn’t allow/ have have permanent 3rds on the vessels. AMO and MEBA do.
which is one of the reason I 
MMP
I rather not be “permanent” and waste more than half my life away at sea. Relief gigs is what it’s about.
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MMP Box Boat Master: $1665 per day with vacation.
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ROS stands for reserve operating status. The ships sit at the dock and are occasionally activated. Most ROS guys live near the port that the ships are docked at so actually the permanent ironically AMO or MEBA guys have more of a life doing only activations and ROS.
So MM&P container ship Master’s make $300K a year sailing even time? Damn, that’s great.
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Friend at OSG gave me inside scoop on pay over there for mates. 3M pay is pretty much directly from the company when he got hired last summer. 2M and CM pay are from what he was told. 3M/2M vacation 27:30. CM/Capt 30:30.
Probationary 3M: $618/day ($311 for holidays)
3M: $731/day ($355 for holidays)
2M: $850/day
CM: $1050/day
Capt: not too sure at all but probably around $1250-$1350
Probationary period is for first two trips so give or take about a year before regular 3M pay including vacation time.
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Seabulk is looking for a 3rd Assistant Engineer for the “mariner” which I believe is better know as the Mississippi Voyager.
75 days on/ 75 days off permanent
Day rate: 421.52
Vacation rate: 231.83
Vacation is 22 for 30
by my math that works out to $591.53/day total. what a joke
AMO contract.
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This is the worst vacation rate I’ve ever seen for officers. Holy shit, no wonder there’s 100 tanker jobs in the board
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When I sailed on one of the T-5e’s it was 11 for 30 if I remember right, so there are definitely worse.
How long ago was that?
That coastal tanker wage is way different than the AMO TSP tanker wage for a 3M which is more than 100 dollars a day more, closer to 700 a day.
MMP Patriot tanker (also an negotiating embarrassment for the MMP) is as follows
3M
Base Rate: 423.04
Vacation Rate: 212.79
Vacation 23/30
12 hour workday
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Brother Beer Captain, Then you haven’t been around all that long. The vacation rate has, and can be worse! Not defending that state of affairs, but it is a fact. You and your fellow mariners have to be ready to show solidarity at all times to hold (and hopefully improve) what you now have.
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I’ve seen that vacation rate across multiple contracts. In reality it doesn’t matter, you’re working equal time regardless. The only number that actually matters is your annual salary calculated with working half the year.
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One would think that the feckless, competing, race to the bottom, maritime unions in this time of a supposed officer shortage could at least get their heads together and agree on a few basic minimum standards for all new and renewal contracts.
Day for day vacation pay.
Minimum day rates
Minimum overtime,
minimum annual cost of living increases, etc.
Why aren’t the unions saying: the Matson contract is the new minimum standard for all companies.
The MMP & MEBA hiring halls (or AMO online job boards), if there is an actual officer shortage, should be self regulating.
They should be forcing the owners with the worse contracts to pay more or tie up ships for lack of officers because every officer can find a much better job on The Board.
The fact that owners with crappy contracts don’t have to tie up ships, suggests to me that there are still too many officers, and that too many of those officers are so hard up that they have to take those crappy contract jobs.
Something is preventing the Law of Supply and Demand from operating properly with out undue friction. Or, there is no maritime officer shortage.
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I think your “no shortage” idea is closer to the reality than something preventing supply/demand equilibrium.
Some things to think about:
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enrollment at the state academies is through the roof (literally in some cases). Not every kid is license track but add up the new Third Mates and Engineers that come out every year, put that number next to new construction, and some number of officers that leave the industry. Even including OSVs and tugs there is a steady and large supply of entry level officers.
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changing attitudes about work. Sailing off the board is the original and ultimate “gig job!” Work when you want, for approximately as long as you want, no phone calls when you’re off, and often not a lot of stress about the next gig.
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trade/blue collar jobs are getting a big push now. Some might call it a fetishization. Junior officer jobs at least are blue collar adjacent, and though the academy route is probably easiest they are still achievable without college.
We might be hearing about oversupply rather than shortage before long.
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