MEECE and Gap Closing Assessments? Mr. Cavo Maybe?

I recently completed MEECE (Management of Electronic and Electronic control equipment class) and a MRM (Maritime Resource management) class I hold a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] assistant license.

I’m supper confused if I need to do shipboard assessments, along with my course completion, to have these added to my MMC as second engineer unlimited? No one seems to know including the school!
Am I looking at the right NAVIC for this https://www.uscg.mil/nmc/regulations/NVIC/NVIC_2014/nvic_15-14_ce_and_2eo_4000_hp_or_more-encl-1.pdf

That NAVIC seems to only address upgrading to management level licenses. I am just going to have these STCW courses endorsed immediately on my seconds engineers license so my question is for that. I plan on turning in my course completion certificates along with another more cut and dry course completion cert I earned as one packet. Of note I have had my seconds license and sailed on it before March, 24 2014

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178199]I recently completed MEECE (Management of Electronic and Electronic control equipment class) and a MRM (Maritime Resource management) class I hold a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] assistant license. I’m supper confused if I need to do shipboard assessments, along with my course completion, to have these added to my MMC as second engineer unlimited?
Am I looking at the right NAVIC for this http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvic/pdf/2014/nvic-15-14.pdf That NAVIC seems to only address upgrading to management level licenses…[/QUOTE]

You’re probably confused because you are looking at the wrong NVIC. The one you looked at seems to only address management level endorsements because it’s about… management level endorsements. Also, STCW endorsements and national officer endorsements (licenses) are separate and different. Don’t confuse or imntermix the two, they have their own requirements.

Since you only told what national endorsement you have, I have to assume your STCW endorsement is for [I]Officer in Charge of an Engineering Watch[/I] (OICEW). The following is based on that assumption.

If you want to know what you need to maintain your current STCW endorsement, you need to look at the NVIC about that endorsement (OICEW).

You do not need Management of Electrical and Electronic Control Equipment to keep your current endorsement of OICEW valid after December 31, 2016. You do need a Engineroom Resource Management course and to meet the requirements for Leadership and Teamworking Skills to maintain your OICEW endorsement after December 31, 2016. Leadership and Teamworking Skills can either be shipboard assessment, or a course. The Leadership and Managerial Skills course required for Chief Engineer and Second Engineer Officer (not the national endorsemnt of 2nd Assistant Engineer) will be acceptable, and can be used again if you upgrade to Second Engineer Officer within five years. I am not familiar with “Maritime Resource Management” courses. Whether or not it can be accepted to meet the requirement for Engineroom Resopurce Management and/or Leadership and Teamworking Skills requirements will depend on the specific approval it was given by the Coast Guard (NMC).

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178199]…I am just going to have these STCW courses endorsed immediately on my seconds engineers license so my question is for that. I plan on turning in my course completion certificates along with another more cut and dry course completion cert I earned as one packet…[/QUOTE]

You can’t “endorse” courses on an MMC. You need the courses and assessments discussed above to keep your STCW endorsement as OICEW valid after 12/31/2016. If you meet all of the requirements I just discussed, you can remove a limitation on your STCW endorsement that says it is not valid after December 31,2016. If you have some of the requirements above, but not all, you cannot remove the limitation.

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178199]…Of note I have had my seconds license and sailed on it before March, 24 2014[/QUOTE]

When you began service is not relevant to maintaining your endorsement. It only applies to upgrading.

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178199]…No one seems to know including the school![/QUOTE]

If the school you went to doesn’t know what you need, you might consider a different school the next time you need a course. They seemed willing to take your money without knowing if what you are paying for will do what you need.

There were a couple 3rds in my meece class…was under the impression any OICEW with a rating of 4k or more needs meece?

[QUOTE=Ctony;178253]There were a couple 3rds in my meece class…was under the impression any OICEW with a rating of 4k or more needs meece?[/QUOTE]
It’s not required for any OICEW. If it was, I would have said that above.

I actually know MEECE is not required on a 2A/E license with, OICEW STCW. And yes I have a OICEW, and no restrictions. I plan on increasing my license in the near future to 1[SUP]st[/SUP] A/E (Management Level) so I took MEECE now. As for the school I thought the class was very good and I paid nothing out of pocket as it was paid by my union. The biggest confusion is on MEECE, as I took it for a future upgrade no one was quite sure on assessments. The teacher was great, extremely knowledgeable on subject matter he was teaching electricity.

Ok, so this brings about a new question. I contacted the NMC call center and they said just to email or mail them copies of the certifications and they will be added to my “training file”. No application needed or assessments to include when I sent my certs. My real question is this what is this “training file” what all goes into it and how is it used?
The way the operator at NMC explained it sounded like they just put your certs in there and if you apply for upgrade or renewal or apply to other STCW endorsements.

FYI These are the courses I am talking about.
MEBAMD-814 Maritime Resource Management Online
MEBAMD – 176 Mngt of Electrical & Electronic Control Equipment (MEECE)
SHLSOS – 142 Crowd Management.

I’m unsure what endorsements will need crowed control (I got it for taking a class while working on a cruise ship like a year ago did not think much about it after I left that ship). The others will be needed after first of the year 2017 for OICEW, with the exception of MEECE that will be needed only for “management level licenses”

Correct?

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178641]as I took it for a future upgrade no one was quite sure on assessments.[/QUOTE]

The Leadership and Managerial Skills course should be acceptable for the Leadership & Teamwork Skills requirement without further assessment. For Leadership and Teamwork Sklills, assessments is one way to meet the requirement to keep your OICEW valid after 12/31/2016, the copurse you took is an alternative.

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178641]Ok, so this brings about a new question. I contacted the NMC call center and they said just to email or mail them copies of the certifications and they will be added to my “training file”. No application needed or assessments to include when I sent my certs. My real question is this what is this “training file” what all goes into it and how is it used? [/QUOTE]

This is the first I have heard of it. I assume they will just put the certificates in your file, or perhaps keep an electronic record of it, so you don’t need to send it in later. In the past, many RECs would keep sea service and training records in a forgetful or careless mariner’s file even if they weren’t applying for anything so that if the mariner lost those documents, they would be on file.

[QUOTE=Moguldan;178641]
I’m unsure what endorsements will need crowed control (I got it for taking a class while working on a cruise ship like a year ago did not think much about it after I left that ship). [/QUOTE]

Crowd Control, and Crisis Management & Human Behavior, are only needed for persons working on passenger ships. Theire is not an MMC endorsement for this, but if you work on a passenger vessel in a position with duties relative to passenger safety, you are required to have the training and carry proof of it.

Mr. Cavo,

I have driven past the Big U on I95 through Philly and over a container ship on the Verranzano Narrows Bridge. I have also read all of Joseph Conrad’s novels. I have seen a spark plug. I once helped my buddy adjust that thingy under the hood of a car. My house was assessed once before the big housing crisis. I was hoping this would qualify me for all STCW endorsements but I’m not sure I want to submit any forms. Is there any way for the NMC to read my mind and just send me my credentials? Can you tell them to step on it too? I think I may have a job lined up.

[QUOTE=KPChief;178650]Mr. Cavo,

I have driven past the Big U on I95 through Philly and over a container ship on the Verranzano Narrows Bridge. I have also read all of Joseph Conrad’s novels. I have seen a spark plug. I once helped my buddy adjust that thingy under the hood of a car. My house was assessed once before the big housing crisis. I was hoping this would qualify me for all STCW endorsements but I’m not sure I want to submit any forms. Is there any way for the NMC to read my mind and just send me my credentials? Can you tell them to step on it too? I think I may have a job lined up.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you have ridden the Staten Island Ferry. And maybe if you attached something this to your application.

It’s going to be really funny if we get into another sizable shooting war and find that all of the experienced mariners are no longer qualified to sail the sealift because they need knot-tying class, fire-fighting refresher class, social responsibility course, Good Seamanship Awards of at least the Bronze Level, and a counter-signed and rubber-stamped assessment form in triplicate on file with the NMC.
It’ll be like the MSC guys gripe about…spend a year on a ship without a relief and when you finally get home, discover that there’s 10,000 names of mariners in the pool.

Maybe all the Maritime School administrators and instructors can be drafted to sail the ships then, huh?

And thus has the Coast Guard accomplished what the Germans and the Japanese could not…destroy the US Merchant Marine.

I’m signed up for the Advanced Boon-docker Spit-shining Course at the “Two Guys Maritime Academy and Car Detailing Service”. See youse mugs there!