Does history have a way of repeating itself?
I would give some interesting historical facts about Russia, Chad, Haiti, Norway etc. but it’s safe to say most of the world cares little about those backwater hanger-on’s. So here’s some more interesting historical facts about the country that so many of us dwell on all the time.
Also, glad we’re going back to the moon in 2027. We showed the world how to be interplanetary travlers 50 years ago, no one could do it so we have go back & hope other ccounties can watch & figure it out this time. The same with throwing off the birthright hereditary rule system where peasants bow down to any offspring of any cousin f’ing royal. We showed the world how to be self ruled in 1776 through democracy but so many peasants still bows to a king based on tribal birthright alone? A bunch of dummies.
The lesson isn’t what America has done but where it is going.
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That was a lot of old stories (6 years ago). Some of the “historical facts” presented there may be disputed, though.
How many of the Great Inventors, Nobel prizes winners, Business leaders, Billionaires etc. claimed to be “Americans” are/were actually 1. Generation immigrants?
USA came away from WWII with a functioning and improved industry, infrastructure and economy. Most of the other major allied countries had been bombed and/or occupied (or both).
The axis countries had been largely flattened, with little left of their once large manufacturing industry.
Thus USA was the undisputed leader of the “free world” after the war.
Largely a benevolent leader, but with some flaws and missteps here and there.
How long will it last? Not long in historical perspective, if the above prediction is correct. All “empires” in history has fallen sooner or later. The present situation in the world MAY hasten the inevitable.
Then again, “the rumors of the demise may be greatly exaggerated”.
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That speaks volumes of facts about how exceptional the United States of America actually is. Those geniuses & parents of geniuses could have moved any where they wanted or just stayed where they were. Nope, they searched out the best place to live with the most opportunities & went there. Most Nobel Prize winners, billionaires, influential inventors, the best humankind has ever created DECIDED to become citizens of the United States of America & thats a fact! American isn’t an ethnicity or how many generations a family has lived here. It’s taking a risk, coming to the US, following the legal paths we have to become American citizens & doing it. My wife immigrated here & my kids are half 1st generation Americans & they are just as much American as me, all those Nobel Prize winners & anyone who carries a US Passport. Spectacular imo.
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I asked Chatgpt about the demographics & heritage of Norwegians Nobel Prize winners. There’s only 14 of them, 1 moved to the USA and all but 1 were born & raised in Norway. Apparently Norway isn’t the land of opportunity & advancement for great thinkers unless they’re pure blooded Norwegians. ‘Tis, ‘tis Norway.
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You said:
Of the 14 people from Norway who have won Nobel Prizes, how many were immigrants to Norway or 1st generation Norwegians?
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a breakdown of Norway’s Nobel Prize winners and how many of them were immigrants to Norway or first-generation Norwegians (i.e., born abroad or to foreign-born parents), based on available biographical data on birthplaces and nationalities:Store norske leksikon+1
Total Norwegian Nobel Laureates (up to 2023)
According to listings of Nobel laureates by nationality, Norway has 14 Nobel laureates in total (across all categories).Wikipedia These are:
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Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson – Literary (1903)
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Knut Hamsun – Literary (1920)
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Christian Lous Lange – Peace (1921)
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Fridtjof Nansen – Peace (1922)
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Sigrid Undset – Literary (1928)
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Lars Onsager – Chemistry (1968)
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Odd Hassel – Chemistry (1969)
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Ragnar Frisch – Economics (1969)
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Ivar Giaever – Physics (1973)
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Trygve Haavelmo – Economics (1989)
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Finn E. Kydland – Economics (2004)
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May-Britt Moser – Physiology or Medicine (2014)
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Edvard Moser – Physiology or Medicine (2014)
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Jon Fosse – Literature (2023)Wikipedia
Immigrants or First-Generation Norwegians
From that list, only one clearly qualifies as an immigrant or first-generation Norwegian:
Ivar Giaever
- Born in Bergen, Norway, but later emigrated from Norway to Canada and then the U.S. in the 1950s and became a naturalized American citizen. His scientific career and citizenship changes place him in a first-generation immigrant context relative to Norway’s academic diaspora.Wikipedia
All Others Were Norwegian-Born and Largely Native
The remaining 13 Nobel laureates:
Born in Norway (native Norwegians):
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Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson (born in Norway)Wikipedia
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Knut Hamsun (Norwegian)Wikipedia
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Christian Lous Lange (Norwegian)Wikipedia
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Fridtjof Nansen (Norwegian)NobelPrize.org
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Odd Hassel, Trygve Haavelmo, Ragnar Frisch, Finn E. Kydland, May-Britt Moser, Edvard Moser, Jon Fosse, Lars Onsager were all born in Norway and raised there.NTNU+1
Born abroad but immigrated early / raised in Norway:
- Sigrid Undset was born in Denmark but grew up and lived most of her life in Norway, later taking Norwegian nationality and being raised in the Norwegian cultural context before winning the Nobel Prize. That makes her first-generation Norwegian by upbringing, though not an immigrant in the later-life sense.
Dr. Bugge. You sent your Sons to wars which were triggered by one of the biggest lies in history. Of course you did not know it then but you seemed to like the idea. In some posts one may read you were very proud of it and supported USA and coalition of the willing.
How come you do not like it now? How come you are so disappointed now.?
Cheers
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History Doesn’t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain.
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Norway has 14 Nobels out of a population of 5.7 million (now). That’s one Nobel per 400,000 people.
The US has 425 Nobels and a population of 340 million or 1 Nobel per 800,000 people.
Looks good for Norway
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Using winners per 100k people, it wouldn’t make much sense to go by one certain date & population. Nobel Prizes have been awarded since 1901. The US has a 1.3% annual population growth rate since then compared to Norways 0.8%. Also, Norwegian born Nobel Prize winners Lars Onsager, Ivar Giaever & Trygve Haavelmo all obtained US citizenship. The first two mentioned, Onsager & Giaever, did the research to win those awards in the US. So scratch their names from the list of 14 imo. If Norway was so great for their research & creativity they would have stayed in Norway wouldn’t they?
BTW, when I looked at pictures of the winners from Norway they were all white. Perhaps Norway doesn’t have affirmative action or EoE mandates? Norway has always looked good for Aryans.
I did not “send my sons to war”, they were grown up and made their own choice. All three did their national service in the army, two choose to sign up for further service. The Norwegian Government honoured their Art. 5 obligation and sent troops to Afghanistan.
You may read into it whatever you like. I just stated the facts that they both served several tours with ISAF in Afghanistan.
They served their country and went where they were sent, as was required by their contract.
I would have preferred that they had found a different profession, but they didn’t.
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Whoa!! You have really made an effort to feed your “Norway hate”. 
Yes, Norway was a homogeneous country in the 1900s, at least up to 1970s or so. Today there are more foreign born citizens and residence by % of total population than in USA. (Chatgpt it)
PS: The same probably goes for refugees and asylum seekers. (?)
That some Nobel Prize winners from other countries (incl. Norway) moved to USA can easily be explained by the fact that when the rest of the world were in ruins and recovering after WWI & II, USA offered grants and opportunities for scientists and others. (Chatgpt it)
Yes I know that USA is ahead on many world statistics, but it is not on the ones you would like to think. (Chatgpt that too while you are at it)
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I knew that about Norway which caused my disappointment of the lack of foriegn born Norwegians that won Nobel Prizes. The same for Norwegian billionaires & inventors. Does Norway have a system in place to oppress immigrants to prevent them from advancing like the white, native born Norwegians do or does Norway only accept dumber immigrants to help do the labor white Norwegians don’t want? A nation of immigrants where only the white native born advanced, are recognized & become uber wealthy is archaic.
BTW, I don’t hate Norway, enjoyed my time there, never started a thread on Norway as far as I recall & only discuss the many shortfalls of Norway with you when you get on your anti-American tangents.
I think the preferred method of “interplanetary” travel is via your local stargate which slips you into another dimension for instantaneous travel of such distances (for reference see the documentary, Star Trek with its transporter device).
Shorter hops to the moon can be tried the with more traditional rockets although the locals are getting edgy at colonisation.
We will, of course, all be watching the next moon landing. I understand Stanley Kubrick regards his on-the-spot filming of the “first” moon landings as one of his greatest works. Believers still abound.
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There have been immigration and emigration to/from Norway for centuries, even millenium. Since we are into AI:
Statistics from last year (March 2025) re: migration to/from/within Norway: (Next issue 25. March 2026)
As you can see from the above, mass migration to Norway started only fairly recently and has been mainly from countries in Europe, with refugees from Ukraine topping the list lately.
Migration from South Asia, Middle East and Africa has been going on since the 1960s, with mainly Pakistanis in the early days.
Vietnamese refugees came mainly in late 1970s and 1980s, while refugees from the Middle East and Africa, especially Afghans, Iraquies, Palestinians, Eritreans and Kurds in the 1990s - 2000s, Somalis and Congolese are among the newer arrivals in large numbers.
Yes, some of the migrants have problem settling into a new culture, learn a new language and finding friends among Norwegians. There are many bloggers and Youtubers who tell their story as migrants to Norway.
A common advice is to mingle, participate in sports, or “dugnad”. (Google it)
As to why there are few new Norwegian among the Nobel Prize winners, the answer is obvious; most of them are young, while most Nobel Prize winners are in their 60s, or older. Besides, with 1.25 Mill. foreign born Norwegians, it would be a fluc if the should be ANY, let alone many.
There are many migrants that has done very well for themselves and for Norway. Some have even made history here. Maybe the best example is Farouk Al-Kasim. He is widely recognized as the “father of the Norwegian oil bonanza”:
How Farouk al Kasim Saved Norway From Its Oil - Pacific Standard.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed your time in Norway. When was that? Where in Norway did you visit? How many times and for how long?
If it was some time ago you would probably have seen a “lilly white” country, with few non-European residents.
That has changed now. Even in remote villages along the coast, in the fjords and valleys and the far north of Norway you will find “dark skinned” people, incl. in a flock of kids, both Norwegian and foreign born.
In fact some villages are looking for people to move in, especially young people and “Digital Nomads” with kids. They even offer free housing and jobs in order to maintain a living society, with schools and cultural activity.
BTW: We don’t use “colour coded” classification of people in Norway.
PS: Maybe you should look at changing to another AI-bot. (Deepseek?)
Update.
The source of refugees from 1975 - Present:
Are U implying it was all staged. ??? How dare You. .I was 10 when my parents woke me in the middle of the night to watch it as even commie TV behind the iron curtain was showing it to the public despite the animosities that existed between EAST and WEST. . Are U attempting to strip me naked from what I firmly have been believing since then ?? This is worse then telling the 4 year old , Santa Claus does not exist. You have just tortured me beyond belief. . This is cruel. 
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So now all participants of this Noble Congregation will be throwing at each other AI regurgitations?? Quo Vadis ?? where are we going with this AI thing.
I am now doing mine own autopsy with the help of gCapt AI bot surgeon /shrink doctor combined and things are not looking good. After seeng the results i feel worse then owner of Lolita jet wondering if I shall not hang myself in my shower overwhelmed by remorse and guilt.
Cheers.
I have once posted here a cover of the book which if read can change your slightly negative perception of our mutual Ally. Highly recommended.
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You are joking right? Have a great day…
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If he was joking or not I found it funny. The guy has started scores of threads with Anti-American sentiment & probably made thousands of comments expressing the same. Then accuses me of “Norway-Hate” because I ask about & point out the blatant disparities in advancement of white native Norwegians over non-white foreign born immigrants to Norway? It’s a symptom of little man syndrome is all I can figure? Pick a fight with a bigger man then claim to be a victim as he holds his hand on your head as your punches swing meaninglessly through empty air. Norway hate? 
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I am very well aware of his disdain for America. He is no different than the many here who share his contempt while spending a lifetime sheltering under the safety she provides.
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Did you miss the at the end?
Re: the “sheltering under the safety she (USA) provide”;
Yes most of Europe are NATO member and “shelter under the nuclear umbrella” USA provide, or have done until now. That all countries in NATO doesn’t needing to develop their own nuclear capability is a good thing for all, incl. USA. Who knows when political alliances may change?
At the same time NATO members provide protection for USA in other ways. (You know how and against who, if you want to)
Norway is strategically placed to keep track of Russian naval and air movements in the Barents, Norwegian and Greenland Seas (before the GIUK gap). Bordering Russia in the north, near the main Navy, Air Force and Nuclear facilities on the Kola Peninsula. (Earlier warning can be had from there than from Greenland)
Maybe we can agree that friendships and cooperation is a better strategy for both sides, than shearing threats and insults?