Has the race to the bottom finally gotten there (the bottom)?

The Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act.

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They take over everywhere if you’re not careful. The US is an oligarchy…

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And all it did was drastically hurt American workers and the American economy.

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I am guessing we are roughly the same age, since that is about what I made as a cadet. Let alone the value of the education we received as cadets, you also have to include the value of the room and board. . . . maybe even the travel. . . . say, at the value of what the (12 or fewer) passengers were paying on those very same ships? That sure as hell beat what I was getting paid as a dishwasher when I was in high school. . .

I have been trying but this damn rain. . . . .

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And the Grammar Nazi in me has to comment that it is “borders”. I think it is fair that no one wants open boarders. . . hell, they would eat all of the food in my fridge. . . .

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I belong to the Realist Party and recognize that the situation in the USA is NOT an argument about capitalist or socialist but what is actually going on in the USA. Forbes Magazine which is hardly a socialist publication has a few real facts that show the problem.

Be kind. Underpaid sawmill workers are people too.

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Refugees here are indeed boarders. We feed and cloth them and also provide free housing, free education, free Medicare, travel, spending money and a number of other social benefits. Plus the right to bring over the other family members, on average from six to twelve.

That is the result of having no borders, anybody with or without documents can walk right in and report to a refugee center where they are welcomed with the red carpet treatment. Land of honey and milk. A country without borders is no country. The race to the bottom…

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Yes, the Schengen Agreement opened up individual countries to accepting immigrants seeking political asylum as well as those from member countries. The EU needs to modify the Agreement to allow individual countries to control their borders or restrict it to the original participants of the Schengen Agreement. Most of the recent immigrants to the EU are from the middle east. Their numbers surged tremendously as the USA got involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen etc… You are welcome. We kinda figured the refugees we created with our wars in the middle east couldn’t swim to the USA so we really weren’t that concerned about the whole refugee thing :wink:

That’s the same argument of those who want to get rid of the Jones Act & the American maritime trade. They have been saying it for a century. Perhaps both you & them are correct about protectionism policies, tariffs & the Jones Act but to hell with it. I think the U.S needs a steel, manufacturing, ship building & maritime industry & workforce to stay healthy. These jobs are worth fighting for. Even the solar panel guys. Sure, they can’t compete with a Chinese government subsidized product that is built by near slave labor but screw it. Put tariffs on that Chinese made crap & give American workers a chance. We should have acknowledged this active Trade War decades ago instead of being bent over & fucked by the lowest bidders from 3rd world countries. Its a disgrace for any person to be against tariffs & the defensive trade war with China while having a career protected by the Jones Act.

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Agree. One big problem with that line of thought is American corporations moved their operations overseas happily to take advantage of the cheap labor, they are reaping billions in benefits. Some even got tax breaks to do so. The ones remaining in the USA love the cheap steel imported, to insist they pay for more expensive US made steel would affect their profits and that is all they care about. Many have gotten waivers from the current administration to continue business as usual. Apple is among them. Their one assembly plant in Texas got a waiver to import Chinese made parts to their plant. American workers do not even figure into any economic equation among the oligarchs, period. American workers are a drain on the profits of stockholders.

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That’s quickly changing:

In May, June and July, the Border Patrol apprehended more than 1,100 African migrants along a single 210-mile stretch of border in south Texas — compared to fewer than 300 along the entire southwest border in fiscal year 2018.
Mexican authorities apprehended a record 4,779 migrants from Africa in the first seven months of this year — nearly four times the number detained during the same period in 2018.
Authorities have offered the possibility of asylum in Mexico, but the Africans have refused, said Marcelo Ebrard, the Mexican foreign secretary." “In essence, what these people want is for Mexico to allow them to proceed to the United States with no legal status, the equivalent of saying there is no border,” he told reporters this month.

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I read the same thing about the place in Texas & others getting waivers to continue importing the cheap Chinese steel. Investor or corporation campaign donations at work for sure. But for decades I have also read about Puerto Rico, drill ships & construction vessels getting Jones Act waivers. We aren’t going to stop fighting for the Jones Act because some waivers were given in the GoM & we shouldn’t forget about our steel & manufacturing jobs because of corrupt politics concerning steel waivers.

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And you think that means what?

Uneduacated immigrants from Africa or any other country are not going to take your job unless you are a maid or lawn guy and then some US citizen has to hire them. Does that mean they should be able to come in without restriction? Absolutely not. But the poor people that want to come into the USA are not the ones taking your jobs. Go to Disney World in Orlando FL. The IT guys which controls the place is run by people from India. The US workers there that were laid off made good pay checks until Disney figured out how to game the system and brought in lower paid workers from India. The suit by the US workers is still in the courts. Meanwhile, the US populace worries about some foreigner that wants a job changing sheets in a hotel? Gimme a break. Once the owners of big money meat packers and slaughter houses in the USA are in prison for hiring illegal immigrants I’ll start to believe the USA is serious about illegal immigration. Until then it is all just theater and BS. If they couldn’t find a job they would not come.

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They claim to be refugees but fly to Mexico and turn their nose up at Mexico’s offer of safe haven. These aren’t migrants looking for employment. They can’t be blamed for seeking a better life but base your expectations on their current behavior. Laws mean nothing. They come from lawless shitholes and they’re assaulting the police because they stand in the way of their ‘dreams’.
Do you seriously expect them to become law abiding citizens when they get here? Look at what is happening in the EU. They don’t assimilate but instead become wards of the state squatting in ghettos where the cops are afraid to go.

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A cruise ship can have as many as 11 deck officers including the master and it is highly unlikely that a new hire third mate would be anything other than an assistant officer of the watch and standing a watch on their own only when alongside. The major drawback for the third mate in this position is getting qualifying seatime.
Back in the good old days some of British general cargo vessels, many of which carried up to 12 passengers the manning was huge by current days.
Master, Chief Officer, 1st, 2nd and 3rd mate plus cadets. 2 radio officers, purser and chief steward.
With Chief Enginner, Chief Electrician, and Chief Refrigeration Engineer with subordinates making the engineering department the largest on the ship.
The Chief Officer was often called the master without portfolio.
From the viewpoint of a third mate rank sure had its privileges.

The illegal immigrant issue is, in the scheme of things, easy to solve.

Check a few farms and companies for undocumented workers. Then imprison the farmer or the HEAD of the corporation for five days. If a subsidiary of 3M uses one illegal worker , then the CEO of 3M goes to jail for five days.

If a golf resort uses undocumented workers, the CEO goes to jail for five days. Not a year. Not a million dollar fine. Just five days. Maybe two weeks, tops.

Do this with two or three prominent CEOs and I guarantee you farms and companies will stop hiring undocumented workers overnight. And with no jobs there’s far less incentive to cross the border.

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