[QUOTE=c.captain;160108]Now THIS is over thee line and uncalled for!
Unless you are referrring tp President Cheney[/QUOTE]
Would you believe I heard a rumor about him actually running? I’m sure it’s just a rumor.
C.captain,if you have all these answers and know all these things why are you not a OIM…Toolpusher…Driller…you talk a big game. I’ve seen a few threads were you talk down to green guys trying to find out stuff about the oil field and stuff…and it’s a big sign of disrespect of you talk like them guys in the drillshack did not know what they were doing…
CC. Once again I rest my case. You make some lucid and very valid points but wreck it all with personal invective. Get some help brother, it is available.
hey i put stuff in there twice i have no idea…[QUOTE=brandanraywest;160113]C.captain,if you have all these answers and know all these things why are you not a OIM…Toolpusher…Driller…you talk a big game. I’ve seen a few threads were you talk down to green guys trying to find out stuff about the oil field and stuff…and it’s a big sign of disrespect of you talk like them guys in the drillshack did not know what they were doing…[/QUOTE]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury as you can see the prosecution has a vendetta. He has no objectivity when it comes to anything oilfield related.
[QUOTE=brandanraywest;160113]C.captain,if you have all these answers and know all these things why are you not a OIM…Toolpusher…Driller…you talk a big game. I’ve seen a few threads were you talk down to green guys trying to find out stuff about the oil field and stuff…and it’s a big sign of disrespect of you talk like them guys in the drillshack did not know what they were doing…[/QUOTE]
So the cook was blamed for failing to secure the well?
one: I did not post about a US president killing millions of people. I answered the person who did so don’t bitch to me about derailing the thread with vitriol.
two: unless all instrumentation measuring downhole pressures suddenly went black to the men in the driller’s shack on DWH, there was a period of time (2 minutes I believe the investigation concluded) that it was more than apparent the well was going violently out of balance and a massive kick was coming. It takes time for all that gas to rise up the wellbore and riser before it blew out. All the mud and water witnessed by the DAMON BANKSTON coming out of the diverter tells enough. I stand by my statement that those present in the shack sat there and did not activate the rams and conduct an EDS (Emergency Disconnect Sequence). I may not be a driller but having worked on enough rigs up to being a master so I am more than just a little familiar with what must take place to kill an out of control well and that is to do it BEFORE it blows out. In fact, the investigation showed that it did in fact blow out before the massive explosion destroyed the rig floor and MUX cables controlling the BOP so there was even still another 20 seconds when an EDS could have initiated although it was likely the massive detonation of released gas would still have occurred yet if the signals to start EDS had been sent, the BOP would have likely still closed and sealed the well. Men would have died and the rig likely destroyed but the massive release of oil into the GoM would not have occurred.
Yes, I blame deadmen here however someone try to provide for us a different scenario that could have occurred where there would not have been cause to start an EDS. The rigfloor leaders are the ones responsible to do that, not the bridge or elsewhere on the rig. I clearly state that the drillers present had all the information they needed to know the well was going to blowout and they needed to be the ones to seal it. Now, experience and education may or may not have played a role in those present not to initiate an EDS however I am going to stand that something stopped these men from acting when it was they who were the frontline soldiers to stop an enemy about to overun their position and as a result to lose the whole battle. Could have been shear terror and fear of what they saw coming but training and experience are what is supposed to prepare all of us for such situations. What is needed are simulators that place men right in the path of an impending disaster just like airline pilots must undergo every few years. With such incredible stakes why is that not done NOW after DWH? I know for a fact that it has not been implemented nor any form of formal licensing for these people who we trust to prevent these disasters from happening. WHY I ASK? Because the drilling companies do not want this…it is counter to their good old boy culture. I was in drilling after DWH and I saw absolutely no change in the senior drilling managers towards well safety. THIS IS CRIMINAL!
three: eight years in the offshore including serving on deepwater rigs more than qualifies me to speak here. If anyone doesn’t like that then they can find an appropriately sized insertion device and place your objections to my words in a location were the sun don’t shine
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[QUOTE=tengineer1;160093]Why? How did things get to that point? .[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you are getting at. The “chaos” email was 3 days before the incident.
My point is why are errors made minutes before the blowout considered to be more significant then errors made days earlier?
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two: unless all instrumentation measuring downhole pressures suddenly went black to the men in the driller’s shack on DWH, there was a period of time (2 minutes I believe the investigation concluded) that it was more than apparent the well was going violently out of balance and a massive kick was coming. It takes time for all that gas to rise up the wellbore and riser before it blew out. All the mud and water witnessed by the DAMON BANKSTON coming out of the diverter tells enough. I stand by my statement that those present in the shack sat there and did not activate the rams and conduct an EDS (Emergency Disconnect Sequence).
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Hindsight is 20/20. Where do you get the information that two minutes was sufficient time to understand the situation?
Air France flight 447 stalled and dropped vertically for three minutes and none of the three professional airline pilots aboard could grasp what was happening until it was too late.
From “How Complex Systems Fail” # 8
- Hindsight biases post-accident assessments of human performance. Knowledge of the outcome makes it seem that events leading to the outcome should have appeared more salient to practitioners at the time than was actually the case. Hindsight bias remains the primary obstacle to accident investigation, especially when expert human performance is involved.
I could have said president of any large company, it was more of a general comment that if you make a big enough fuck up it ceases to be a fuck up.
If you witnessed this blind eye toward safety why didn't you report it to the company? If no satisfaction was received there why didn't you take your concerns to the appropriate regulatory agency? You were on the inside you could have affected change right then and there. You would have been taken seriously as it was still hot on everyone's mind. Does turning a blind eye make you criminally complicit in safety violations? You have no trouble running your mouth cloaked in "anonymity" here. How hard to be the oilfield version of deepthroat?
If the driller on the drill floor is doing everything the driller in charge of the company is asking and following all those procedures, then whats to report?
You can only leave or complain then get moved on.
Plenty of highly skilled, hard working, conscientious people in many industrys are called whistle blowers, now why is that?
Remember garuda airlines, banned worldwide as iata/faa said they are not fit to manage an airline.
They have since proved they can.
Remind me, which is the UN body that has oversight on what Shell wants to do in the Arctic.
Who is supplying the submarines for a below the iceflow oil spill cleanup?
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;160138]If you witnessed this blind eye toward safety why didn’t you report it to the company? If no satisfaction was received there why didn’t you take your concerns to the appropriate regulatory agency? You were on the inside you could have affected change right then and there. You would have been taken seriously as it was still hot on everyone’s mind. Does turning a blind eye make you criminally complicit in safety violations? You have no trouble running your mouth cloaked in “anonymity” here. How hard to be the oilfield version of deepthroat?[/QUOTE]
all hypotheticals only but let’s just say that the man with serious safety concerns about a drilling operation is taken to lunch by management to discuss his feelings. When handed the menu to order he is struck that there is only one kind of sandwich offered which is not one which one would consider very palatable.
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[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;160134]Hindsight is 20/20. Where do you get the information that two minutes was sufficient time to understand the situation?
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Was that not in the BSEE Final Report? I know it was somewhere
If you weren’t inclined to eat the foul foot long sandwich being offered you shoulda called the health dept. I’m sure the inspectors love the smell of a rat. You could’ve been world famous as the man who blew the lid of the good ole boys drilling club. You had a couple of years in the big chair to amass so much evidence you would’ve become the Voldemort of the oilfield. The tree huggers would have parades for you. You could’ve been a hero for the eco warriors. Lady Lucy would have sought you out. You could have travelled in the same circles as Walrus Watson. You could have gotten close enough he would have blown his last foul breath in your face as you set him free to live with the whales. How could you have let this opportunity pass by? Lemme guess these “criminal” violations weren’t as egregious as you like to pretend.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;160161]Lady Lucy would have sought you out.[/QUOTE]
MY GOD MAN! The glorious opportunity I missed! Curse you to HELL sir for making me aware of this because now I will spend all the rest of my days wondering what SHE would have been like? Probably like no other woman on the planet!
Probably coulda had my own band attacking rigs and a reality series on Animal Planet with Lucy as my wanton warrior mate wearing very little
Blimey, man…the Voldemort of the Oilfield? Paul Watson’s sloppy seconds?? How could you have passed up those unique and esoteric honors!
One guy fought by himself to get lead removed from fuel.
Its a poison at any doseage yet it took him years.
Now we cant believe it was ever used.
Standing in a boat about to go over Niagara falls, it all seems normal.
Watching that from the shore you have another view.
I notice you have some banks in the USA that self regulate as well…
[QUOTE=powerabout;160176]One guy fought by himself to get lead removed from fuel.
Its a poison at any doseage yet it took him years.
Now we cant believe it was ever used.
Standing in a boat about to go over Niagara falls, it all seems normal.
Watching that from the shore you have another view.
I notice you have some banks in the USA that self regulate as well…[/QUOTE]
The frog, sitting in a pan of water, does not notice the temperature rise when the pan is placed on the fire…until it’s too late to jump out.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;160051]You’re right [c.captain] you’re always right I apologize. You’re the only person with all the answers, a man of integrity in a sea of scoundrels. Yes business as usual, I will meekly back away now bowing and scraping at your all knowing omnipotence. Only you can sit in Washington state and have your finger all over the pulse of the oilfield.[/QUOTE]
I am glad that we got that cleared up. No need to bow and scrape, but remove your cap when you address me from now on.
regarding my finger on the pulse of the offshore, let’s just say that it rests on the trigger of a 50cal pointy stick which I am not afraid to let go a burst of fire when an unfriendly raises a head out of their backwards GoM trench. So best keep your head down and you’ll survive…maybe?