Government Officials Criticize LCS and Cutter Programs

Why can’t this program be killed? These pieces of SHIT are hideously overpriced WORTHLESS GARBAGE!

[B]Government Officials Criticize LCS and Cutter Programs[/B]

By MarEx 2016-02-08 18:46:49

On Friday, Senators John McCain and Jack Reed, the top-ranking members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, sent a sharply critical bipartisan letter to the Navy regarding the service’s Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program.

Their criticisms stem from findings in the latest report of the Department of Defense’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation, issued in January.

“More than seven years after the first LCS was delivered, the report makes clear the program remains mired in testing delays with an unclear path ahead. Yet, we seldom hear from Navy leaders about these challenges and the path to achieving full operational capability. Instead, Navy leaders seem to be promoting the warfighting capabilities of the LCS,” including its rebranding as a destroyer.

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus recently credited the LCS with the ability to “put the enemy fleet on the bottom of the ocean” and described the ships as suitable for use as carrier strike group escorts. However, the senators said that the LCS’ proven range is only about 2,000 nm at 14 knots, raising the question of how the small ships would keep up without frequent refueling: other vessels in a carrier strike group have a range of about twice as far, they said.

Additionally, one of the main intended uses of the LCS platform – mineclearing – has not yet been realized. "LCS has not reached an initial operational capability in any elements of mine countermeasures today and the timeline for achieving mine countermeasures capability remains unclear,” four years after its scheduled operating date, they wrote.

The senators also noted the delays in testing and approval for the system’s anti-submarine capabilities, and the limited abilities of its surface warfare systems, which have a “maximum effective range of five miles.”

“Unless the enemy fleet consists of a small number of lightly armed boats at extremely short range, we fail to see how the LCS reality is consistent with [Secretary Mabus’] remarks.”

The Navy’s leadership emphasized the strengths of the LCS program at the annual Surface Navy Association symposium in January. U.S. Navy Director of Surface Warfare RAdm. Peter Fanta called on members of the Navy to join together to back the service’s new Littoral Combat Ship and to “sell the story” of its capabilities. “In the long run, you’ve got to help me get the message out, there’s warfighting capability in this thing, and it’s overwhelming even our own submarines and surface ships,” he said, referring to the LCS’ performance against other U.S. Navy assets in exercises.

Separately, Government Accountability Office (GAO) officials told Congress’ Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Subcommittee Wednesday that the USCG needed additional oversight of its National Security Cutter (NSC) program. Navy tests on the ships in 2014 found that they were suitable and operationally effective, but noted ten deficiencies, including that “the Coast Guard has not yet demonstrated that [the NSC] can achieve a hard and soft kill against a subsonic cruise missile as required,” said a statement from Michele Mackin, the GAO’s director of acquisition and sourcing management. In addition, the GAO said that the USCG will have to pay about $200 million for fixes unrelated to the Navy’s deficiencies list, including electronics systems repairs and replacements, “structural enhancements,” and recurring problems with propulsion systems.

Huntington Ingalls, the builder of the National Security Cutter, declined to comment to media, as the GAO’s statement referred to vessels already delivered.

Maybe Gary can trade the government the Aviq for all the LCS’s. He can turn them into Ultra Fast Supply Vessels. Then take all of his 200 ton masters and get them a special 10,000 itc UFSV endorsement to run them. I wonder how easy they can be converted to DP?

I thought the CGs NSC boats were working out fine.

the Coast Guard has not yet demonstrated that [the NSC] can achieve a hard and soft kill against a subsonic cruise missile as required"

Why in the world does the USCG need to be able to shoot down a subsonic cruise missile?! Who keeps putting these outlandish requirements on our forces?

Yea that sounds crazy. I always thought Airborne Early Warning, interception, etc. was the Air Force’s job. I guess someone has to keep the defense contractors happy.

[QUOTE=Lone_Star;178882]Who keeps putting these outlandish requirements on our forces?[/QUOTE]

Rhetorical question, right?

We put the Soviet Union out of business by arms spending them into poverty. Now we are turning that gun on ourselves.

The best way to protect the American population from military annihilation is to prohibit any commissioned officer from ever working for a defense contractor … for life - in any capacity, and to make it a felony for a politician to take a campaign contribution from anyone who cannot walk into a polling place and vote for him or her. Even then there should be a $500 limit from any voter.

Make lobbying a federal offense punishable by a minimum 5 years community service picking up trash along the highway or changing sheets in a hospice.

Our government is seriously broken … just look at the current circus sideshow.

[QUOTE=LI_Domer;178893]Yea that sounds crazy. I always thought Airborne Early Warning, interception, etc. was the Air Force’s job. I guess someone has to keep the defense contractors happy.[/QUOTE]

The Navy plays a huge role, with its SM-3 and SM-6 Missiles and Radar systems. With the many important jobs the Coast Guard facilitates with a limited budget, they certainly need to spend their money wisely. Thinking they can/ should do ballistic missile defense as well is crazy.

[QUOTE=c.captain;178871]Why can’t this program be killed? These pieces of SHIT are hideously overpriced WORTHLESS GARBAGE![/QUOTE]

If they were being built in Seattle you would say they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, Scooter.

[QUOTE=AHTS Master;179156]If they were being built in Seattle you would say they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, Scooter.[/QUOTE]

Nonsensical statement. “Scooter” recognizes BS wherever it crops up. Washington state ferries draw his ire and they are really close to Seattle.
While I may not always agree with him at least he has original opinions of his own and does not simply react to others’ opinions.

lookee what I uncovered! Ingalls wants to sell their NSC design to the Navy to be frigates…A DAMNED FINE IDEA!

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[QUOTE=c.captain;178871]Why can’t this program be killed? These pieces of SHIT are hideously overpriced WORTHLESS GARBAGE![/QUOTE]

You realize that the one built in Mobile was a character in a Pixar movie. Those turds in Washington aren’t going to kill anything that was cool enough to share the screen with Mater and Lighting McQueen. What would they say to their grandson who has the Tony Trihull play set?
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I think they are building them fast enough now that two of them are afloat at the yard now. That means that another one is in the fab building and another two or three have probably reached that supernatural status of having the “keel laid”. So Austal will be able to bill (or sue) for at least 4 or 5 more even if it contract was cancelled today.
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Yer serious?

I too think it would be a good idea.
I ‘want’ to believe that decisions to go with design X over design Y is about capability and such. Silly me.