American Dynasty, original Sea Bure, OSV blt 1975 for Fred Olsen, Oslo:
Converted to Factory Trawler for American Seafood 1989:
Why does Norway build such disease-ridden vessels?
To sell them to gullible Americans of course!!!
PS> Actually American Seafood belonged to Kjell Inge Røkke at the time:
Actually the original vessel, Sea Bure, was built at an American yard for Fred Olsen in 1975.
Not much to be seen of that original OSV thought. (All that was needed at the time was a US Builders Certificate and abt 10% of the original hull)
This has a lot to do with how Discovery Health conducted the pre-boarding testing and validates my thoughts in the Covid-19 Screening thread that attempting exclusion is a waste of resources.
But it’s more fun to just blame Norway
From the story [bolding mine]
“…[the] crew, before heading off to sea May 13, were screened for the viral infection and underwent quarantines of at least five days. They also underwent additional testing for the antibodies created by the virus.”
The question is, were they quarantined for only five days? The standard for quarantining for Covid19 is 14 days, not five. So why is only “at least five days” mentioned? The incubation period of the virus is about five days, so five days by itself is not an effective quarantine.
It would be interesting if the results of a company investigation came out about this, to see how Patient Zero came to evade the screening. I’m not holding my breath.
The thing about screening is this:
It is meant to minimize, not eliminate, the chance of infection on a vessel. If you operate 10 vessels it is far better to have zero vessels infected than one, but also 100% better to have one vessel infected rather than two.
Screening depends entirely on the honesty and self-discipline of individual crew and workers on the vessel. The larger the size of the crew, the more likely it is to have a crew member who is less than honest about their lack of self-discipline in quarantining themselves.
Because the statistical chance of a non-compliant crew member increases with the size of the crew, the length of the quarantine has to be commensurately longer, and stricter, for it to be effective. A very costly process for seafood operators, since it means hotel rooms, etc.
Sad, but this comes at no surprise. That is an incredibly high number percentage wise.
are you sure its not a Swedish boat…lol
A few more details about the screening.
Not attempting exclusion.
The point of risk management is not to prevent failure, for that is impossible. The point is to have a plan ready to manage and control failure when it inevitably comes.
This may in fact be the real story of human and societal improvement. We talk a lot about “risk management”—a nice hygienic phrase. But in the end, risk is necessary. Things can and will go wrong . Yet some have a better capacity to prepare for the possibility, to limit the damage, and to sometimes even retrieve success from failure. - Atul Gawande
Yes, but resource management is an important part of risk management as I’m sure you’re aware. TANSTAAFL.
The resources used up in this charade for the insurance companies could have gone to:
- Properly screening arriving crew for individuals that had a higher chance of an ARDS reaction to COVID
- Repairing, replacing, and renewing equipment that is part of the myriad number of ways a man can be injured/killed on a fishing vessel.
- Hiring local crewmembers instead of importing them from poor countries, which is one of the reasons this particular company ended up having to do a 5 day quarantine as opposed to the 14 for some crew.
Someone in one of these threads outlined a plan to buy 6 RVs. Do you know the amount of risk you can reduce with the money from 6 RVs? Substantial.
More Covid on American Seafood’s trawlers…
It seems an interesting experiments played out in the hake fishery this year, RE: the effectiveness of quarantines. It seems that most fishing companies went with the advice of 14-days quarantines for workers before sailing. At least one company went with as little as 5-day quarantines. Both groups did Covid testing before fishing.
All these companies operate roughly the same way. The crews are all Americans. Many of the processing workers are from all around the world.
The company that did 5-day+ quarantines had three boats with Covid epidemics. I’m not accusing this company of doing something wrong. They had a good theory, and did their diligence, but not all theories prove to be correct.
I have not heard of epidemics on the boats of the 14-day quarantine companies. Of course, more data is needed, but the takeaway so far is that a 14-day self quarantine is very effective at preventing Covid from getting on a boat. Not totally effective, in the theoretical sense. But apparently more effective than a 5-day+ quarantine.
The essence of a valid experiment is repeatability. To prove the conclusion correct, this 14-day/5-day quarantine experiment would have to be repeated elsewhere.
But to put it in operational terms, the company with epidemics has sustained a financial loss. The other companies have not. An operating company ignoring this observation does so at its own peril.
Hopefully there will be a research paper written on this situation. The University of Washington worked with many of the 14-day quarantine companies, devising screening procedures in conjunction with the maritime medical advisory company Discovery Health. So it may be the UW will come out with a paper some time.
American Seafood refuse further Covid-19 screening: