"Derelict Cruise Ship Abandoned"

Updated: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:06:32 GMT | By CBC News, cbc.ca
Orlova owner hopes to retrieve drifting vessel

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Orlova owner hopes to retrieve drifting vessel

The owner of the derelict and drifting cruise ship Lyubov Orlova said he knew it was a bad idea to attempt to move the ship from St. John’s harbour almost two weeks ago.

Reza Shoeybi said he feared the courts might seize the Orlova before he had a chance to move it.

“We had to take a chance and get it out of here, because a lot of people didn’t like to have it here,” said Shoeybi. “And basically, it was either take it out of here or lose the ship.”

Shoeybi is staying in St. John’s aboard the tug boat Charlene Hunt, which failed to tow the Orlova to a scrap dealer in the Dominican Republic.

The Hunt managed to haul the Orlova out of the harbour on Jan. 23. A day later, the line between the tug and the Orlova snapped southeast of St. John’s.

Shoeybi said Transport Canada has told him that he can’t use the Charlene Hunt to retrieve the Orlova, so he hopes to find another vessel to catch up with it and bring it to the Dominican.

In international waters

Meanwhile, after another failed attempt to tow the vessel, Transport Canada has decided to leave the ship adrift in international waters.

The federal agency hired a vessel to tow the Orlova, but the line between the ships snapped on Friday, 20 minutes after the tow line was connected.

There were seven-metre-high waves and 140 kilometre-an-hour winds at the time.

Officials decided it was too dangerous to try to re-attach the line to the former Russian cruise ship in those high seas.

After the Orlova broke free of the Hunt on Jan. 24, it was picked up by the Atlantic Hawk, an oil industry supply vessel, on Jan. 30.

The Orlova was then transferred to the supply vessel hired by Transport Canada on Feb. 1.

Tracking device

The agency said there is a tracking device aboard the Orlova, and the ship was last reported to be drifting in a north-easterly direction.

Meanwhile, Transportation Safety Board officials have arrived in Newfoundland to investigate how the Orlova originally ended up adrift.

It’s going to be another banner week for the cruise industry. After setting an abandoned russian cruise ship adrift off of canada, killing 5 people in a lifeboat drill in the canary islands, a Carnival cruise ship is now adrift in the Caribbean Sea off of the Yucatan Peninsula after an engine room fire. Interesting that a year or two ago another Carnival ship had an engine room fire and was set adrift for a long period of time off the Pacific side of Mexico.

Shit happens. Given the large number of cruise ships in operation, and the millions of passenger miles involved, is the number of incidents actually higher than one might reasonably expect?

If cruise ships are having more than their fair share of incidents, why?

Carnival is a big well financed, and presumably professionally managed company, that presumably employes high caliber officers? Is something wrong at Carnival?

Consider that they own Costa, too; well that commercial is a little off base. . . .

[QUOTE=tugsailor;98392]Carnival is a big well financed, and presumably professionally managed company, that presumably employes high caliber officers? Is something wrong at Carnival?[/QUOTE]

I think that is quite debatable…Carnival has been in love with Greeks and Italians as operations managers and officers from day one and we all know about them.

The Italians officers on the Carnival ships are a real peach to deal with.

[QUOTE=c.captain;98408]I think that is quite debatable…Carnival has been in love with Greeks and Italians as operations managers and officers from day one and we all know about them.[/QUOTE]

I always say if it’s a cruise ship find the nearest greek or italian officer and string 'em up. Let’s look at the historical record:

(these are just what I can think of off the top of my head)
MTS Oceanos: 1991, Greek captain
MS Sea Diamond: 2007, Greek captain
Carnival Splendor: 2010, probably Greek/Italian captain
Costa Concordia: 2012, Italian captain
Costa Allegra: 2012, probably Greek/Italian captain
Carnival Triumph: 2013, probably Greek/Italian captain

But we all know the real problem with the international maritime industry is those damn sue-happy americans, not the accident-prone Greeks and Italians, just ask any HR person at a foreign shipping company.

When you pay peanuts you get elephants

Yes Carnival and its many subsidiaries use Italian officers.

With the schedules they keep I wonder how they manage to adhere to the new rest requirements. Actually the answer must be no…they often seem tired and harried.

That should be as big a concern to vacationers as tired, overworked regional airline pilots but nothing has filtered down from the Costa disaster so I don’t expect anything to change.

I guess as long as they can pack those cabins with the $400 a trip crowd business will always be brisk.

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;98421]I always say if it’s a cruise ship find the nearest greek or italian officer and string 'em up. Let’s look at the historical record:

(these are just what I can think of off the top of my head)
MTS Oceanos: 1991, Greek captain
MS Sea Diamond: 2007, Greek captain
Carnival Splendor: 2010, probably Greek/Italian captain
Costa Concordia: 2012, Italian captain
Costa Allegra: 2012, probably Greek/Italian captain
Carnival Triumph: 2013, probably Greek/Italian captain

But we all know the real problem with the international maritime industry is those damn sue-happy americans, not the accident-prone Greeks and Italians, just ask any HR person at a foreign shipping company.[/QUOTE]

I completely forgot about that ship in the Canaries dropping a lifeboat on top of 5 pax or some such nonsense the other day, no doubt that jackoff was an Italian or a Greek as well!

Listening to the “Current” a CBC radio current affairs program this morning to a piece on “ghost ships”. One of the guests, an oceanographer, stated that the GPS tracking device placed by Transport Canada is no longer operating.

Given the recent weather, it could be that she went down.

The epic tale of the Lyubov Orlova has recently been over-shadowed by the epic-er feces-covered tale of the Carnival Triumph but just out of curiosity has there been any news on the russo-canadian front lately? Is the GPS device still not responding? Has she in fact gone down?

FOUND afloat and adrift north of the Flemish Cap

Lost cruise ship serves new purpose
The location of the cruise ship Lyubov Orlova, shown here being towed from St. John’s harbour by a tugboat, is now being investigated by a system called Global Maritime Awareness which combines various types of satellite data. — File photo by Keith Gosse/The Telegram
The location of the cruise ship Lyubov Orlova, shown here being towed from St. John’s harbour by a tugboat, is now being investigated by a system called Global Maritime Awareness which combines various types of satellite data. — File photo by…

Published on February 18, 2013 

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Lyubov Orlova to be used for testing marine monitoring system

The unknown location of the MV Lyubov Orlova is now being used as a way to test the ability of a new system of marine monitoring called the Global Maritime Awareness system.
Guy Thomas is a retired former science & technology adviser to the U.S. Coast Guard and has been involved in maritime surveillance for more than 40 years.
In 2005 he had an idea that if the countries of the world combined their technologies and everybody banded together, a global maritime awareness system could be established that would allow for greater monitoring of the marine environment.
The idea is based on the four types of satellites that exists, says Thomas, each of which offers a different type of data.
The Automatic Identification System (AIS) is an automatic tracking system used on ships as a means of collision avoidance. It’s used for identifying and locating vessels by electronically exchanging data with other nearby ships.
“It was designed for ships in the immediate vicinity of each other and control points in harbours to be able to reach out and signal to a specific ship,” he says.
Information such as a ship’s position, speed, course and even the captain’s name can be shared back and forth between vessels. That tried and true method of sharing information lit a spark in Thomas’ mind.
“I had the idea that if you put that receiver in space, you would now have the international identification system for ships that was lacking.”
That was done and a second satellite system was created that provides radar information from space. It expanded on the ship-to-ship ability of the initial idea allowing for vessel information to be shared over larger areas.
The third satellite type is probably the one that people are most familiar with — the ones that take pictures.
“There’s been an explosion in that technology in the last five years, as well,” says Thomas. “From space, now you can routinely see tie downs on holes. You can see anchor chains by links.”
The imaging systems have a big downfall though, he adds. They can’t operate at night and they don’t operate through clouds.

That is the advantage of the radar systems. They operate in both those conditions.
The fourth type of satellite data involves a small box on ships that sends information to satellites in space. It tells a ship’s location and even some conditions on the ship. This became known as Long Range Identification and Tracking or LRIT. Ships have to report into the governmental authority of any country they’re going to pass within 2,000 miles of, says Thomas. All ships have to report on LRIT four times a day and companies use it to track their assets on ships.
Those four satellite systems, combined, Thomas says they would make for a very effective tool of monitoring marine environments for illegal activity, including such things as polluting and smuggling.
“If you meld those together you could come up with a system to allow you to improve security of your shores,” says Thomas.

Orlova’s part
So how does the drifting Lyubov Orlova fit into all this?
Well, it’s a dead ship who’s location is unknown and even with the knowledge of current patterns, it’s a big ocean out there. Using a combination of the types of satellite information available will test the notion that cooperating and sharing technologies will result in a Global Maritime Awareness system far superior than any individual system.
Thomas, who lives in Baltimore, actually saw the Orlova tied to the wharf in St. John’s while he was here December past giving a presentation to the National Research Council’s Institute for Ocean Technology on his idea for a Global Maritime Awareness system. However, he found out about the ship’s current state of affairs through the Irish Coast Guard, with whom he also has dealings.
Thomas says that Chris Reynolds, the director of the Irish Coast Guard, had mentioned to Thomas that he had serious concerns about a dead Russian cruise ship that was heading toward his country from Canada, and that he didn’t want his country to bear the burden of it coming aground in Ireland.
Thomas suggested they use his method of combining different satellite data to find the location of the ship. Of course, the drifting Orlova isn’t going to be sending signals to satellites the way an active ship would be, but sometimes what a ship doesn’t send out lets you track it too, says Thomas.
If they know they’re are so many ships in an area from a satellite image and they can tell one of those ships isn’t transponding through the AIS system, then that’s a little curious, he says. They’ll find the Orlova by scratching out the vessels that are sending out data through the satellite systems. You’re left with the dead ship. It’s a process of elimination and it works in keeping the marine environment safe from illegal activity, too, says Thomas, since those ships breaking the law won’t be responding either because they don’t want to be tracked. They want their location to be as mysterious as that currently of the Lyubov Orlova.
“It’s the fellas that aren’t transponding that you want to look at,” he says. “AIS tells you where the good guys are. AIS tells you where the guys who are obeying the law are.”
Thomas is now in collaboration with the Irish Coast Guard to track the ship through these methods. They know the last position of the Orlova as taken by Transport Canada before the vessel went A.W.O.L. and by studying ocean currents, they can come up with an idea of where they think the vessel might be.
Then, by using various types of satellite information, they can get a read on how many ships are in that area and if any aren’t transponding.
The challenge was not just taken up the Irish but also by an Italian company called e-Geos, which specializes in Earth observation and in geo-spatial application. They, too, took the last location of the Orlova, and by taking ocean currents into consideration came up with a location, they felt should be where the ship is located. Then they got a satellite image of the area.
And they got a hit.
There’s something they found south southeast from the tip of Greenland, says Thomas, that has some probability of being the Orlova, though that’s not written in stone as of yet. The company is going to get more images over the next few days to see if they’re really onto something.
Regardless if this it or if they have to have to keep searching, Thomas is confident in his method working and working punctually.
“We are going to find it. Before it ever approaches Ireland we will be able to tell the various navies where it is,” he says.
His plan then is to also give the location to the ship’s owner, Reza Shoeybi.
Posted by Barry D at 5:47 AM No comments:

Hey, why not make the best of a crappy situation? If no one’s going to do anything about it, at least this experience won’t go without valuable lessons. Be seriously though, some one go get that damn thing before someone else hits it.

and found again but don’t trip over it in the dark!

[B]Russian Ghost Ship Reappears Off Ireland[/B]
By MarEx February 22, 2013

Abandoned and drifting Russian cruise ship, the Lyubov Orlova, has been spotted again off Ireland’s western coast.

The vessel has no crew or warning lights and has been aimlessly drifting for about two months now. Maritime authorities were unaware of its location up until now.

The U.S. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency reported that the ghost ship was located roughly 1,300 nautical miles from the Irish coast. According to www.news24.com, the Lyubov Orlova’s whereabouts were listed in a “Daily Memorandum Atlantic Edition,” a maritime update put out by the intelligence agency, which analyzes satellite imagery and creates detailed maps for the US government.

The old passenger vessel departed Canada on January 23rd for a Dominican scrap yard, but two separate tow attempts were unsuccessful – mainly due to extreme weather conditions. This resulted in the ship drifting in international waters.

Transport Canada has stated that the ship is no longer its concern, as the vessel had left the country’s waters. Many say the owner should be held responsible for its movements. Earlier this week, Canadian officials confirmed that they were not clear on the location of the ship since the vessel’s global positioning system (GPS) was no longer working.

Again, the derelict vessel is slowly heading towards Europe, having drifted over 400 nautical miles toward the European coastline.

[QUOTE=c.captain;100544]and found again but don’t trip over it in the dark![/QUOTE]

I think that’s the same position where it was found before, but this article (and others) have just started describing the position as 1300 miles of Ireland, rather than 400 miles east of St.John’s.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2nUPdb6lmg…Orlova_POS.png

Off the coast of Ireland my hind quarters. Where do these journalists get this crap?

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;100547]Off the coast of Ireland my hind quarters. Where do these journalists get this crap?[/QUOTE]

agreed…1300 miles does not make it right offshore and ready to go on the rocks.

I will say though that I am surprised as hell that the ship is still afloat after drifting out there in the North Atlantic in the middle of winter. I wished there were photos available.