Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=rlanasa;38189]To get a murder convictiion you would need a few more statements along these lines.

[I]That is nuts you are going to kill us all[/I]

[I]Tuff that is the way it going to be. Even if it means a few people get hurt we are going to finish this job tonight[/I]

So far there is no evidence some knew they were likely to get people hurt. Negligence maybe reckless action maybe. Murder not even close.[/QUOTE]
We still haven’t heard what the company men have to say. I would think considering Alcor’s attitude, that BP is planning to shove it all off on the comapany man/men. Getting him/them to talk with a plea bargain should be pretty easy right about now. Once the dominoes start to fall it won’t take long before there’s a parade going into the U.S. attorney’s office. That is IF the U. S. attorney hasn’t been bought off by now.

[QUOTE=New Orleans Lady;38188]and whose idea was it to “insist after being challenged”, to replace the mud, with salt water? BP[/QUOTE]

A good defense attorney will blame that one on the environmentalist . For more than a decade the eco Nazis have demanded all the drilling fluids be recycled. Leaving drilling fluids in the hole is a environmental No No. I expect that order came from the team onshore. I would also point out taking the mud out takes time and money. It kills the rush to finish cutting corners case.

Not Guilty charges dismissed next case!

[QUOTE=company man 1;38192]We still haven’t heard what the company men have to say. I would think considering Alcor’s attitude, that BP is planning to shove it all off on the comapany man/men. Getting him/them to talk with a plea bargain should be pretty easy right about now. Once the dominoes start to fall it won’t take long before there’s a parade going into the U.S. attorney’s office. That is IF the U. S. attorney hasn’t been bought off by now.[/QUOTE]

As this is a maritime incident he or she will claim she was just following orders and cannot be charged with any crime. If you did get it to trial the defense would put a dozen witness and logs up as evidence that everything they did is a standard practice and done all the time. Not Guilty.

[QUOTE=company man 1;38191]I relented to the fact that you’re an unreasonable asshole that can’t be reasoned with. I admitted that there were mistakes made in dealing with the displacement & the recognition of the negative tests by the company man & the drill crew. These mistakes did not cause this blowout to occur. They just failed to prevent it…[/QUOTE]

I’m dumbstruck by your comment!!!1
When there’s no control of volumes and no control of pressure we allow gas and hydrocarbons to enter the well. This is the same on all wells being drilled throughout the world. If any of those wells allow hydrocarbons to enter the wellbore we have the very same result. If we ignore the volumes and pressure we seal our doom.
Are you truly a company man with offshore experience? If you are unable to accept this I suggest you relieve yourself of your position.

[QUOTE=rlanasa;38193]A good defense attorney will blame that one on the environmentalist . For more than a decade the eco Nazis have demanded all the drilling fluids be recycled. Leaving drilling fluids in the hole is a environmental No No. I expect that order came from the team onshore. I would also point out taking the mud out takes time and money. It kills the rush to finish cutting corners case.

Not Guilty charges dismissed next case![/QUOTE]And I would argue, Now look at the enviroment…

[QUOTE=company man 1;38192]We still haven’t heard what the company men have to say. I would think considering Alcor’s attitude, that BP is planning to shove it all off on the comapany man/men. Getting him/them to talk with a plea bargain should be pretty easy right about now. Once the dominoes start to fall it won’t take long before there’s a parade going into the U.S. attorney’s office. That is IF the U. S. attorney hasn’t been bought off by now.[/QUOTE]

They won’t plea bargain. They’ll pay for the spill. But TO will be responsible for the rest.

[QUOTE=rlanasa;38194]As this is a maritime incident he or she will claim she was just following orders and cannot be charged with any crime. If you did get it to trial the defense would put a dozen witness and logs up as evidence that everything they did is a standard practice and done all the time. Not Guilty.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know what court you’re practicing law in, but you have to get past a 12 person jury over here. The polls show BP to blame 90% margin & growing. All anyone has to do is get them in front of a jury & their already guilty. It might not be fair, but tough shitzky to what’s fair. BP should have put other things in front of their own wallets.

[QUOTE=alcor;38197]They won’t plea bargain. They’ll pay for the spill. But TO will be responsible for the rest.[/QUOTE]

Keep running your mouth. Keep pissing everybody off Alcor. You’re doing more damage to BP than I could ever do. Let me once again thank you.

For that BP will pay +/-$4400 per barrel plus damages until they, and their partners, vendor,) prove to a judge they are out of money.

[QUOTE=New Orleans Lady;38196]And I would argue, Now look at the enviroment…[/QUOTE]

If bp gets away with this, then this will not help Obama get re elected, no matter how much campagne money bp gives them, and so I think the republicans, hope bp will be exonerated, so, that they can use it as a campagne ploy, then bp, and the bought oil men <R> will be back in service, and they will live happy ever after…Everytime I pass by a BP gas station I want to “PUKE”

[QUOTE=company man 1;38199]Keep running your mouth. Keep pissing everybody off Alcor. You’re doing more damage to BP than I could ever do. Let me once again thank you.[/QUOTE]

I realise you’ve spent a lot of time planning the demise of BP. Problem is this: I won’t let you run your mouth off to people who don’t know the industry. This is misinformation to suit your needs. And, I will piss anybody off who advances invalid information. This is my power. I have expertise.

[QUOTE=New Orleans Lady;38201]If bp gets away with this, then this will not help Obama get re elected, no matter how much campagne money bp gives them, and so I think the republicans, hope bp will be exonerated, so, that they can use it as a campagne ploy, then bp, and the bought oil men <R> will be back in service, and they will live happy ever after…Everytime I pass by a BP gas station I want to “PUKE”[/QUOTE]

Then you puke because somewhere in your system others are not allowed to question or challenge the opinion of the Co Man. On my rig, the roustabout’s opinion is valid. I’ll listen if the Co Man doesn’t. The question is this: Is it a cultural problem? Break it down.

[QUOTE=alcor;38195]I’m dumbstruck by your comment!!!1
When there’s no control of volumes and no control of pressure we allow gas and hydrocarbons to enter the well. This is the same on all wells being drilled throughout the world. If any of those wells allow hydrocarbons to enter the wellbore we have the very same result. If we ignore the volumes and pressure we seal our doom.
Are you truly a company man with offshore experience? If you are unable to accept this I suggest you relieve yourself of your position.[/QUOTE]
I’m dumbstruck by your arrogant stupidity. You can’t seem to figure out the difference between a cause & a prevention failure. Just because something fails doesn’t mean it caused something to happen. The CAUSE & try really, really, really hard to grasp this now is the negligent design & disregard of vendor recommendations to seal the well. The BOP wasn’t the permanent well control devise. The rig was never meant to stay there forever with the BOPs shut in. The permanent blowout protector was supposed to be the casing & cement barriers. Is ther somehing about this that a man of your superior knowledge doesn’t get?

[QUOTE=alcor;38202]I realise you’ve spent a lot of time planning the demise of BP. Problem is this: I won’t let you run your mouth off to people who don’t know the industry. This is misinformation to suit your needs. And, I will piss anybody off who advances invalid information. This is my power. I have expertise.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been to the United States? Have you ever been to the GOM? No you haven’t so STFU. On the other hand don’t STFU. Keep showing your English Arrogance to all the surfers & newcomers, so they can see what you people are all about.
Edit: My planning of BP’s demise started about 4 weeks into this disaster. It is evidently not as long as the British have been planning our demise. I would asy that has been since 1776?

Can you produce evidence that BP informed Anadarko of their negligence? Quit avoiding the question.

[QUOTE=company man 1;38199]Keep running your mouth. Keep pissing everybody off Alcor. You’re doing more damage to BP than I could ever do. Let me once again thank you.[/QUOTE]

I can assure you that all of your fellow conspirators on this thread have been questioning your information and early judgement. You may not hear it yet, but it’s coming. I imagine they are wise enough to reflect on the content of my postings. At least, they challenge your assertions. The interesting part is that I don’t have an army of consultants and advisers around me. I have my knowledge and expertise of the industry.

Alcor, you may be able to quote, this, and that with your vast intelligence, but the ave consumer, is learning about this event, and cm1 or you, are not going to change my mind. I know a lot of MD"S, with “knowledge”, but they lack ethics, and common sense, and people pick up on that. THe american people are not going for another OJ simpson case., Justice will prevail, as the court of public opinion, has found BP Guilty.

[QUOTE=company man 1;38116]At what depth do you anticipate them attemting the intersect? Have you seen the logs & the pore pressures? How do you anticipate them over coming the loss circulation zones & keeping this thing from flowing? Are you concerned with the well head/ BOPs leaning the way they are? Will they have ot run casing to the intersect point? Are they having to plug & set a whipstock each time they miss the intersect point?[/QUOTE]

First, I have no source of inside information about the relief well and am relying solely on published data from any source I can find. There is actually a lot of data on BP’s web site if you are willing to dig around for it.

Second, I am a geologist and not a driller. Everything I know about drilling I have learned from reading, not doing.

With that said, here’s what I’ve seen and what I would predict:

BP’s published plan calls for an intercept at around 18,000 feet, well above the porous zones. They reported they were at around 16,000 feet a week ago and drilling ahead. Looking at the drilling rates they’ve achieved puts the first try at an intercept right around now. Once they know they are close, and use the magnetometer results to pick a kickoff point, they will probably take a couple of days to set more casing to the kickoff point to give themselves maximum flexibility in mud weights for the kill attempts.

I have not seen any published pressure data from the relief well, but based on their approach during the topkill attempt I suspect this kill operation will start with mud weights appropriate for a soft kill (minimal chance of doing more damage to the original wellbore). They know the formation pressures from the first well, and can correct the needed density for the loss of riser height. I suspect they learned enough from the top kill attempt to know what kinds of pressures it took to keep the oil in the formation. I would imagine they will use a similar pressure, corrected for the extra distance downhole, and start there. They will probably let the well spout mud for a while to be sure they’ve fully evacuated the lighter fluids and are not seeing any oil flow. Once they are comfortable they have the well completely filled with mud they will try to slow down and then stop the pumping to see if they have succeeded in creating a static condition. Only then can they cap the original hole and inject cement through the relief well.

If the well does not go static and resumes flowing after the first try then they will keep trying with denser and denser mud until it stops. If the porous zones downhole suck up a lot of mud so that they are actually taking losses when the pumps stop - the original hole starts sucking down fluids - then they will treat it like any other lost circulation problem during drilling and mud down until it stops the losses and goes static.

The whole operation should take a few days, but very little oil should be flowing from the formation once they start pumping.


Also, I have yet to see any evidence that the BOP is listing any more than when the riser torqued it during the initial rig sinking. As such, I see no reason to be concerned about this in the next few weeks. All the measurements they were taking appear to me to have been aimed at perfecting the design of the LMRP cap seal. I’m sure they would be anchoring the BOP with massive tethers of they were worried about it falling over.


As for the flow rate, I think everyone would agree that it is dramatically less when they are sucking out 28K barrels a day than when the cap was off, making me suspect the flow is somewhere near 35K barrels a day. When the cap is off it is gushing like a jet engine exhaust. When the cap was first placed on the flex joint, the downward jets went way down into the valve assembly before turning up (just look at the distance the stains go down the pipes) and the cap was bouncing like a rodeo bull. When they are pumping at full capacity, the cap is rock steady and there isn’t even any outflow on the downhill side. The flow out the uphill side is just barely coming around the lip before floating upwards. I suspect they are at the technical limit of their ability to suck up oil without drawing seawater into the cap, which would risk hydrate ice formation in the system.


As for my comments about the government stepping up to its responsibility in this whole affair, I do not think there is anything they can do but let BP handle the kill operations with oversight. The government has no expertise to match that in the industry and no other company is going to touch this thing with the proverbial 10 foot pole. Exxon’s CEO has admitted that they can think of nothing they would have done very differently than BP did to try to stop the deepwater blowout. The other companies have not said they could stop the leak, they have only said that their policies would never have let this happen in the first place (but I’m sure even BP can claim that).

What I meant was taking over the cleanup effort. BP is in a challenging spot. They are not Americans and are struggling to deal with our bureaucracy. They certainly don’t want to proactively cause any more harm or their liability just goes up. So they tiptoe around placing booms and raking beaches. What’s needed is for the US government to step in and wage a war on the spilled oil. All hands on deck. All available people and all available resources brought to bear as quickly as possible. A lot of that can be done without oil company help.

I just find it pitifully sad that our political system makes it easier for them to simply point fingers at BP for its failings in the cleanup rather than actually stepping in and doing the right thing for the people of the Gulf. I fear that their election year calculus is that it will be easier to take a hands-off approach and blame BP than it would be to take the more appropriate hands-on approach and risk getting a few things wrong and getting some local people pissed at them. They want this to stay BP’s problem for political reasons and fear that action on their part would morph it into their problem. Yes, stick BP with the bill, but get after it for God’s sake! I’m already pissed at them for not waging this war to save our own shores when they are clearly so interested in fighting big wars “over there”. This smacks of raw politics by a ruling party that knows they are not winning any of the Gulf states this fall and are only willing to do the minimal photo ops for the base back home.

Sorry, I’m starting to sound like some of the rants that have almost turned me away from this site. Forgive my lapse into venting.

[QUOTE=company man 1;38205]Have you ever been to the United States? Have you ever been to the GOM? No you haven’t so STFU. On the other hand don’t STFU. Keep showing your English Arrogance to all the surfers & newcomers, so they can see what you people are all about.[/QUOTE]

I worked in the Us for 12 months. Loved it. Love the country, love the low taxes. Hated the food. All the cereal has added sugar.

[QUOTE=New Orleans Lady;38207]Alcor, you may be able to quote, this, and that with your vast intelligence, but the ave consumer, is learning about this event, and cm1 or you, are not going to change my mind. I know a lot of MD"S, with “knowledge”, but they lack ethics, and common sense, and people pick up on that. THe american people are not going for another OJ simpson case., Justice will prevail, as the court of public opinion, has found BP Guilty.[/QUOTE]

I agree entirely. But, I won’t let anyone misinform you about facts. Be careful of the fiction.

[QUOTE=company man 1;38204]I’m dumbstruck by your arrogant stupidity. You can’t seem to figure out the difference between a cause & a prevention failure. Just because something fails doesn’t mean it caused something to happen. The CAUSE & try really, really, really hard to grasp this now is the negligent design & disregard of vendor recommendations to seal the well. The BOP wasn’t the permanent well control devise. The rig was never meant to stay there forever with the BOPs shut in. The permanent blowout protector was supposed to be the casing & cement barriers. Is ther somehing about this that a man of your superior knowledge doesn’t get?[/QUOTE]

Are you asking what action should have been taken following the failed Testing and volume inconsistencies? Is that your question?