Company required vaccination

Excuse the misunderstanding please. When I replied with the response from the immunologist it was intended to inform the folks on this forum of information I had received it was not intended as a direct response to your question.
My direct response to your question was;
My experience is with maritime companies that work out of the USA. I don’t know of any that do not require vaccines. You either get the vaccines are you don’t get the job. Yellow fever, typhoid, cholera, Covid or whatever you accept the vaccine or you don’t get the job, There are good reasons for this policy. A more relevant question might be, :which companies let you opt out of being vaccinated?
We all know whether land based or maritime companies require a physical exam. During this exam one will be asked about vaccines, especially if one is going to work on a ship. After all it is a closed environment and no company wants to risk a preventable disease outbreak.
So the answer to your original question
“Just curious how many maritime companies have made vaccination required for Mariners?”
All that I know of, however there may be exceptions

I’ve been sailing for 23 years and I’ve never been asked during my physicals about vaccinations. I’ve had them prior to sailing on a foreign voyage and had plenty in the military that I’m not even sure what they were for but it’s never been part of a new hire physical or my yearly physical. That being said I’ve always worked for ocean going tug/barge operations and not deep sea shipping which I am sure is different because sailing foreign is the norm.

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I sailed for a bit longer and every time was asked about vaccinations and required to prove I had them, an up to date “yellow card” was required as proof. But, I suppose it depends on the company requirements for where you’ll be working.

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I still have my original yellow “Shot Card” issued in 1978. I also had them add the 'Rona vaccines. Pretty sure I had the anthrax vaccine, but I don’t have the card with my right now.

The majority of the foreign companies I work with are requiring crew to be vaccinated to go back to work. The crew onboard are a different story, and it comes to availability during their trip.

At this point if you don’t want the shot I really hope you have ironed out a new career path by now because you’re about to be jobless

Pfizer vaccine gets full approval.
Waiting for the next excuse not to get one… :smirk:

And by the way, thanks to the Turkish-German scientists who came up with the first C19 vaccine.

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From WAPO today:

"Chevron is requiring some employees to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, as the oil and gas industry grapples with rising cases among its workforce, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

“The mandate covers expatriate employees, workers traveling abroad and employees on U.S.-flagged ships, according to the report. Overall, the requirements apply to thousands of workers. Chevron is also considering broader mandates to cover additional employees as the highly contagious delta variant continues to spread…”

I think many people against the vaccine are so because of unfounded political reasons just many people who insist everyone gets it does so because they don’t like the politics of the anti-vaxxers. It’s like everything else. Those who fall into either of those categories will deny it to their death bed of course because their brains are so wired in denial & partisan politics. To answer your question.


From the article below:

“Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, individuals have the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of religion. As part of their religious beliefs, many individuals object to vaccines. Employers are required to accommodate religious observances and practices, unless doing so imposes an undue hardship on the business.”


Even when given an easy reason to stop fighting those on both sides won’t take it & continue with their struggle to save mankind from the other.

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See? That was just a few months. Seems like you could have waited instead of coercing your employees to be part of a medical experiment in clear violation of the Nuremberg Code.

But there’s no accounting for the actions of cowards.

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Employers view the matter of vaccinations simply: Will C19 infections in my workforce possibly cause the company to lose large amounts of money? Yes? Then everyone gets vaccinated.

Next question: How many people will quit rather than get vaccinated? 1%? Can we hire enough people to fill in that 1%? Then let the anti-vaxxers quit.

What if the anti-vaxxers claim religious beliefs? Note the following clause:

The best lawyers in the business thought this out a year ago. Their conclusion: the employer must decide what can reasonably be done to make accommodations for anti-vaxxers aboard a ship. But if the employer decides none can be made, they are free not to sail the employee. Firing/not sailing are legally two different things, but the effect is about the same.

But in reality, operationally, something like this usually happens:
If the number of anti-vaxxers is less then, say, 5-10% of the workforce, then the company probably won’t fire the employees. They will make other requirements for employment. Pre-sailing quarantines might be dropped for the vaccinated, but required for the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated might need to wear masks aboard the boat but the vaccinated won’t. The unvaccinated might need to be tested before sailing, but the vaccinated won’t. Etc.

Companies are all about money, which means a certain amount of pragmatism.

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If you feel you are being coerced about getting the Covid-19 vaccine remember McDonalds is always hiring. But wait, in my neck of the woods you may have to get a Hepatitis A shot to do that.

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I’m sorry, but I’m confused. Which are the cowards? Those who risked harming themselves with an “experimental” vaccine to protect themselves, their families and their community or those who waited on the sidelines until the coast is clear? Please clarify.

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Those that coerced and threatened their employees to take an experimental medical treatment because the TV told them it was OK, and they were scared.

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I’ll tell you what. I’m feeling flush. Somehow I’ve managed to avoid working at McDonald’s. I’ll bet you $5000 that by this time next year, if you include boosters, no company will be requiring any of the currently available vaccines for Covid-19.

If you like I can donate it to charity instead, in the event of my losing the bet. You can pick.

Deal?

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Trident Seafoods, one of the biggest seafood companies in the USA, and operator of dozens of boats, required vaccinations several months ago.
https://www.tridentseafoods.com/job-openings/covid-faq/

Just to be clear on my end as the original poster, I think people have a right to do what they think is right for their health. If you want the vaccine that is fine with me. I haven’t gotten it yet but I was waiting on approval and just seeing what happened with other people. I don’t regret that decision at all. I don’t live in a heavily populated area and I don’t even have any neighbors that don’t have to drive to my home. I don’t like going out and I was social distancing way before anyone in Gov was recommending it. That being said now that the Phizer vaccine has full approval I will likely get it even though my company doesn’t actually require it yet which now that there is full approval I suspect they will. My personal opinion on it is when a vaccine is as new as this one people have every right to be cautious. You also have every right to take it if you want. The fact that so many people demand others to do something because they did it is obnoxious and probably causes other people that may have gotten it on their own to dig in their heels because no one likes to be forced to do something that could have serious long term consequences. It still isn’t something I’m excited about doing because this vaccine has not been in wide use for very long no matter how long it’s been in development. Large drug corporation and the federal government are not known for ALWAYS having our best interests in mind. If everyone would stop brow beating people over wanting some autonomy in their lives. I very rarely engage in discussions of opinions for that very reason. What you do is your business and what I do is mine. Social media has allowed people a soapbox for every thought that crosses their mind but if the shoe is on the other foot they rarely acknowledge that a difference in opinion or coming to a different conclusion based on the same information is possible, acceptable, or even allowable. Which is why I choose to live in an area with a little interaction with other people as possible…

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I full heartily disagree with this. I’ve worked with too many smokers, morbidly obesed & elderly mariners to believe companies give a damn about my or anyone else’s safety. I was working on a sister ship of the tug Valor when she sank, looked around at the physical condition of my shipmates at the galley table & knew I was screwed if we ever found ourselves in a similar or worse situation. If companies are going to make the anti-vaxxers nuts get a vaccine for “my safety” & their bottom line that is fine but I’d be safer & they would save more money, have less turnover & medical related emergencies if they made some people lose 100lbs & quit smoking. But ain’t going to happen because the politics is about covid19 vaccines.

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You are misunderstand what I wrote. Nowhere in my post did I mention the word “safety” or “health”. I was categorical in that a company’s decision is based on money, and nothing else.

From a company’s perspective: if a C19 infection aboard ship runs the risk of that ship being denied port entry, or port operation, for several days, then mandatory vaccinations are a reasonable precaution to prevent financial loss. There are other considerations that could also lead to financial loss.

Sister vessel was the Honour,correct?