[QUOTE=salt’n steel;176640]2nd Captain, 3rd Captain…it’s a weird system that raises eyebrows in any conversation outside of the OSV world. I guess “Mate” didn’t sound important enough. As for the 28/14 - this sucks! I’m within full day’s drive but several live west coast, PR or up north. One late crew change due to operational needs and it could be a potential 32/10. The admiral (wife) won’t be too wild about that![/QUOTE]
You can have as many “Captains” as you want on the boat and/or on the payroll, but there can only be ONE Master on any boat/ship at any one time. At least that is the way it is in the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=tengineer1;176580]Your employee union goes along with this?? I’d vote them out ![/QUOTE]
They all suck. Union, non union. Offshore supply, SIU, MEBA, MFOW. I have seen and heard of filth and corruption in every facet. I would say the whole industry is pretty messed up in general. It is like others have posted…“pick your poison”.
[QUOTE=ombugge;176663]but there can only be ONE Master on any boat/ship at any one time. At least that is the way it is in the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
except in the GoM where the night master is fully in charge of the vessel and never wakes or otherwise bothers the day master during the 12 hours he is on…that is how they’ve run it for decades down in the swamp and there are very few first captains who would want to be disturbed during their offtime. HELL the other guy is also a captain so let him deal with the BS!
That is why no OSV no matter not large can never be referred to as a “ship”. A “ship” has a master who is expected to be available 24hours a day when he is needed. Also on a “ship” the master does not stand a watch for that very reason.
[QUOTE=ombugge;176663]You can have as many “Captains” as you want on the boat and/or on the payroll, but there can only be ONE Master on any boat/ship at any one time. At least that is the way it is in the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
It has been my experience that there is only 1 master per boat. Doesn’t matter whether he is onboard or at home, he sets the rules for how he wants specific things done. I.e. If he wants the boat painted pink, everyone better paint pink.
When he is not onboard there is someone else serving in the capacity of captain. Call it relief master, relief captain, Etc… Every other officer on the bridge is a mate.
The GOM, especially the 100T boats, are the worst when it comes to terminology. Everyone in the wheelhouse wants to be captain at any and all times. And wHat the hell is an unlicensed engineer? Is that like an unlicensed lawyer? Unlicensed doctor?
[QUOTE=Saltine;176705]Everyone in the wheelhouse wants to be captain at any and all times. And wHat the hell is an unlicensed engineer? Is that like an unlicensed lawyer? Unlicensed doctor?[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] And wHat the hell is an unlicensed engineer? Is that like an unlicensed lawyer? Unlicensed doctor?[/QUOTE]
Well, someone unlicensed but is tasked with handling the engine room. Trying to figure out why that phrase fires you up. Now if we were talking why all assistant engineers licensed or not are called oilers…
Everyone wants the glory of their own command. Can’t begrudge them that, including the personalized coffee mugs and license plates.
And wHat the hell is an unlicensed engineer? Is that like an unlicensed lawyer? Unlicensed doctor?
Well, someone without a license that is tasked with the ER responsibilities… Don’t see why this fires you up. Wanna get fired up at terminology, there’s the whole ‘oiler’ title that can cover a wiper and up thing…
[QUOTE=c.captain;176704]except in the GoM where the night master is fully in charge of the vessel and never wakes or otherwise bothers the day master during the 12 hours he is on…that is how they’ve run it for decades down in the swamp and there are very few first captains who would want to be disturbed during their offtime. HELL the other guy is also a captain so let him deal with the BS!
That is why no OSV no matter not large can never be referred to as a “ship”. A “ship” has a master who is expected to be available 24hours a day when he is needed. Also on a “ship” the master does not stand a watch for that very reason.[/QUOTE]
In the early days of Offshore Oil & Gas exploration in the rest of the world the GOM way of operating boats were taken along. I remember that the Jackson Marine tugs handling anchors for McDermott had two equal “Captains” when operating, but needed a “Navigator” to take them between areas of operation since they had no navigating skills, except “platform jumping”.
On “foreign” OSVs today the Captain and Chief Mate do 6/6 watches almost regardless of operation in progress, but that does not means that there are two Masters.
By International Maritime Law it is not legally possible to have more than one Master on a ship at the same time, or to be Master when on time off. I don’t know how a US Court would look at it though??
[QUOTE=cajaya;176696]Is like a 100 ton captain that thinks he’s an engineer because he knows how to change a fuel injector?[/QUOTE]
Don’t think I have EVER run across one of those. . . .
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[QUOTE=cajaya;176698]They all suck. Union, non union. Offshore supply, SIU, MEBA, MFOW. I have seen and heard of filth and corruption in every facet. I would say the whole industry is pretty messed up in general. It is like others have posted…“pick your poison”.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Saltine;176705]It has been my experience that there is only 1 master per boat. Doesn’t matter whether he is onboard or at home, he sets the rules for how he wants specific things done. I.e. If he wants the boat painted pink, everyone better paint pink.
When he is not onboard there is someone else serving in the capacity of captain. Call it relief master, relief captain, Etc… Every other officer on the bridge is a mate.
The GOM, especially the 100T boats, are the worst when it comes to terminology. Everyone in the wheelhouse wants to be captain at any and all times. And wHat the hell is an unlicensed engineer? Is that like an unlicensed lawyer? Unlicensed doctor?[/QUOTE]
Hmmm. . . I know from my perspective, and especially on ocean tugs and ATBs. . . with a large company like Crowley, they would try to keep some crews together on the same boat, but would also change out boats with the same crew, more or less. . . and the Master (captain) would stand a watch, rotating with the Chief Mate and Second Mate. . . had a similar set up on the SEA SKIMMER/PLAQUEMINE. . . there WAS a “senior” captain (as I was the "senior Chief Engineer - in my early to mid 20s) but no special privileges were really granted. And unlicensed engineers? Yeah, in the old days, pre DDE, there were lots. . . even deep sea. . .where they were called QMEDs or similar. Or was it Junior Engineer? Memory fades.
[QUOTE=cmakin;176742]Hmmm. . . I know from my perspective, and especially on ocean tugs and ATBs. . . with a large company like Crowley, they would try to keep some crews together on the same boat, but would also change out boats with the same crew, more or less. . . and the Master (captain) would stand a watch, rotating with the Chief Mate and Second Mate. . . had a similar set up on the SEA SKIMMER/PLAQUEMINE. . . there WAS a “senior” captain (as I was the "senior Chief Engineer - in my early to mid 20s) but no special privileges were really granted. And unlicensed engineers? Yeah, in the old days, pre DDE, there were lots. . . even deep sea. . .where they were called QMEDs or similar. Or was it Junior Engineer? Memory fades.[/QUOTE]
Back in 1991 (Give or Take) I was taking Advanced Fire Fighting in New Jersey and there was a Guy from Eklof (Became K-Sea). So we were BS’ing during a break and said that he just became an Un-Licensed “Chief”. He said that they picked him over other Deckhands because he went out and purchasd New INJECTORS for the Mains and brought them back to the boat at CC.
So, when I told him that I would never work for a company where I had to buy anything like that out of my own pocket, He said that was what he had to do to get the “Chief’s” job.
He did say that the did finally reimburse him for the Injectors.
I have a “bigger” license than the captain (master) I sail with, but I am the (chief-the only) mate onboard. No captain’s title but I do %95 of what he does and vice versa. We don’t need each others help, but he is always “in command.” I Can’t imagine it being any other way. The two masters that work opposite each other are %100 equal regardless of seniority. It’s neither ones boat more than the other. This is working equal time mind you.
[QUOTE=Tugs;176756]Back in 1991 (Give or Take) I was taking Advanced Fire Fighting in New Jersey and there was a Guy from Eklof (Became K-Sea). So we were BS’ing during a break and said that he just became an Un-Licensed “Chief”. He said that they picked him over other Deckhands because he went out and purchasd New INJECTORS for the Mains and brought them back to the boat at CC.
So, when I told him that I would never work for a company where I had to buy anything like that out of my own pocket, He said that was what he had to do to get the “Chief’s” job.
He did say that the did finally reimburse him for the Injectors.
You just can’t make shit like this up![/QUOTE]
Geez. . . I will leave my opinion of that company to myself. . . Eklof. . .man, what was that, 20+ years ago? Oh, wait. . saw that, 1991. . . That said, before the DDE days, ANYONE could be Chief. . . the better companies actively sought licensed engineers. . . but, if I am not mistaken, there were a few really capable engineers over at Crowley back then that did NOT have licenses. . . but I can guarantee that they weren’t out buying injectors. . . . and there WAS a bit of a “mafia”. . . but just not southren based. . .
[QUOTE=cmakin;176758]Geez. . . I will leave my opinion of that company to myself. . . Eklof. . .man, what was that, 20+ years ago? Oh, wait. . saw that, 1991. . . That said, before the DDE days, ANYONE could be Chief. . . the better companies actively sought licensed engineers. . . but, if I am not mistaken, there were a few really capable engineers over at Crowley back then that did NOT have licenses. . . but I can guarantee that they weren’t out buying injectors. . . . and there WAS a bit of a “mafia”. . . but just not southren based. . .[/QUOTE]
Vessels less than 200GT require no licensed engineer. I think that’s supposed to drop to 100GT if it hadn’t already. The INVADER class tugs are less than 200GT.
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