[QUOTE=c.captain;175676]Shane is JOE BOSS personified! Every bit as bad as Gary Chouest but I at least give the Godfather his due however Bubba Shane is nothing but a PUNK who wants to be Gary (or should I say “wanted” to be…he ain’t never gonna rise to be the Godfather himself now and will be lucky if he escapes this downturn alive)[/QUOTE]
I know tha, but is there a specific reason to why you hate him? Like what makes him a punk? I am interested in learning something about one of the Jeaux Bosses.
[QUOTE=Colston1285;175693]I know tha, but is there a specific reason to why you hate him? Like what makes him a punk? I am interested in learning something about one of the Jeaux Bosses.[/QUOTE]
In one years time all OSV operators will be bankrupt and all OSVs will be scuttled to make wreck diving sites. Oil platforms will be converted from rigs-to-reefs.
I thought they were gonna turn all platforms into wind farms. Convert all drill ships into hospital ships. Turn all rigs into space X civilian rocket radar and tracking facilities. Then take all large OSV’s and turn them into short sea conro ships using all Union unlimited tonnage license crews. All limited license holders will then be disenfranchised. The ones that can’t get tug boat jobs will then go back to flipping burgers and working the cart crew in the Walmart parking lot. Anyone that ever had an OSV endorsement on their MMC will have their documents seized. Their legacy file will be shredded and they will have to start over again to earn their way to an unlimited license.
[QUOTE=jbtam99;175734]Meh, aside from the union part I’d be ok with most of that. ;)[/QUOTE]
and why exactly is a union so horrible? because they get dues from you?
I mean with a union you have a contract of employment which specifies clear terms the employer must follow and obey which only benefits the worker and it is which the bosses in the GoM are so deathly afraid to ever be forced to sign
In theory a union doesn’t sound bad. But when the union people you pay to represent you never come down to the dock to see what’s going on it becomes a problem. When part of your dues money goes to political groups that you do not support it becomes a problem. When the union defends the lazy workers and ignores the hard workers it becomes a problem.
[QUOTE=Bayrunner;175756]In theory a union doesn’t sound bad. But when the union people you pay to represent you never come down to the dock to see what’s going on it becomes a problem.
When part of your dues money goes to political groups that you do not support it becomes a problem.
When the union defends the lazy workers and ignores the hard workers it becomes a problem.
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If they don’t show up at the dock vote them out.
Money should go to represent members employment interest not the members views on food stamps, Obamacare etc.
I have seen union members run off many a lazy or incompetent worker.
It is not about having some utopia it is about having a voice. Right now only one side has a voice and they pay millions of dollars to have their voice heard. Meanwhile the average working family in the USA has a little over $50,000/yr income, less than 30 years ago when adjusted for inflation.
Like bayrunner said, the idea sounds good but I have yet to come accross a union that actually does what it supposed to. I am not really well informed of the way labor practices work but I dont see why the companies just cant take it upon themselves to behave ethically and do what is right. There are plenty of land based companies that treat their employees quite well. Although, before I put my foot in my mouth, those are mostly companies that employ knowldege workers rather than labor workers (not sure which one merchant mariners would be defined as)…so that might have something to do with it though I don’t see why it would make a difference.
If it came down to just going with the flow of how things roll down there… or being part of something like SIU again. I would choose the first one. I can always get divorced.
If unions were closer regulated by the governent and had strict regulations (something like the president is not alowed to be a milionaire) or something like that…salary caps on union officials so there is no incentive for them to steal from us (again I am not well educated on how unions work or are regulated in the U.S.). All I know is that they can turn into a very ugly thing, and they have in some instances. If there was some kind of guarantee that that would never happen, then I would absolutely agree that yes, unions are needed everywhere, all the time.
[QUOTE=Bayrunner;175756]In theory a union doesn’t sound bad. But when the union people you pay to represent you never come down to the dock to see what’s going on it becomes a problem. When part of your dues money goes to political groups that you do not support it becomes a problem. When the union defends the lazy workers and ignores the hard workers it becomes a problem.[/QUOTE]
There are some good contracts out there. I look at it as pick your poison. We all have to eat shite one way or another. It’s all a matter of tolerance level.
I have a contract where I’m at now… in the GoM… on an OSV company’s vessel. Why do I need to pay dues when I’ve got a clear cut MLC contract where I’m at?
[QUOTE=jbtam99;175820]I have a contract where I’m at now… in the GoM… on an OSV company’s vessel. Why do I need to pay dues when I’ve got a clear cut MLC contract where I’m at?[/QUOTE]
Because you are the first operation I’ve ever heard of who has a contract when not sailing union. Who do you go to if the company violates their pay off the agreement?
[QUOTE=jbtam99;175820]I have a contract where I’m at now… in the GoM… on an OSV company’s vessel. Why do I need to pay dues when I’ve got a clear cut MLC contract where I’m at?[/QUOTE]
and WHO drafted that contract? did you get to negotiate the terms specified therein before you signed it?
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;175823]Because you are the first operation I’ve ever heard of who has a contract when not sailing union. Who do you go to if the company violates their pay off the agreement?[/QUOTE]
All employees have an implied contract with the employer whether they know it or not. Courts routinely hold that the terms spelled out in employee handbooks are a contract. My companies issue “offer letters” during the hiring process that are contracts. When Chouest promised a 401k match that was a contract.
The problem nonunion is that it is not worth your time,money, and energy to try to enforce the contract. Not to mention being blackballed in the industry if you do.
Jbtam99, You are mistaken. I do not believe there is any American company that offers a contract that includes the terms of the MLC. (An IMO treaty that the US has not Ratified). Also, there is no such thing as a “clear cut contract.”
The problem in a union is that the union officials are either too lazy or too corrupt to enforce the contract.
Either way, in spite of the contract, you will only get what the employer is willing to provide.
You should ask what flag boat a person is on before you tell a person they’re wrong. I sail on a foreign flag boat that’s signatory to MLC. Any Vanuatu flag vessel is required to comply with MLC, contracts and all.
