Cadet pay

[Kgers]

Is there a requirement to pay cadets on commercial vessels?

[Capt_Obvious]

Not sure if there is a requirement. I know when I was a cadet it was a whole $33 a day. Just enough to save up for port and go drinking, forget who you are, and crawl back up the gangway. Usually accompanied by all the unlicensed who enjoy getting cadets tore up from the floor up.

[Kgers]

$33/day would be nicer than $0/day especially over the course of a 100 day project. I was just wondering.

[Sand_Pebble]

A couple of years from now when your classmates who are getting paid for their summer training gets screwed over by their employers they will be so disappointed & angry. Not you, it sounds like you are getting broke in to the industry early.

If the company HR people try to recruit you to their $0 paying company, find a clever, political correct way to bring up your 100 days of free go’for work & tell them your sucker days with them are over.

[cmakin]

I remember getting US$11.40 a day as a cadet. US flag, from KP, so the company was obligated to pay us, especially the ones operating on a subsidy. Pretty sure that, at least on US flag vessels, pay for cadets is a requirement. Not sure about other flags, though.

[Emrobu]

MLC requires that seafarers get paid.

[ombugge]

I only found this about Cadets on Norwegian fishing vessels:

The Fishing boat Owners Association has made some recommendations for cadet salaries that can be followed, here we briefly summarize the main features of the fishing boat recommendation:

Cadet wages per month on board NOK 21,000
The cadet wages does not include holiday pay. The cadet is not eligible for part of catch payment.
The work hours in the cadet period is 8 hours per day.
The time taken for theoretical studies, etc., which is not part of ongoing training, shall take place outside of the normal work period.
If the cadet is put into work beyond 8 hours a day, this will be reimbursed by NOK 147 per hour. The rate applies to all days of the week including Sundays and public holidays.
Access to the cadet for extra work is by local agreement. The work must be done within the terms of the agreement on rest periods.
The cadet has the same rights as other crew members in respect of insurance.
If more information is requested, please contact the fishing boat owners association directly,
(See link http://www.fiskebat.no/).

Cadets under education in Norway can also serve on vessels under foreign flag, subject to certain conditions:
(I don’t know if they get paid)

Do you approve of cadet space in a foreign shipping company / on board vessels that do not fly Norwegian flag?
Yes, provided that the following criteria are met:
Assessor holds Norwegian certificate (Citizenship is uninteresting) + Qualification certificate for assessor issued by the Norwegian Maritime Directorate. If you use the ISF Cadet Book, the assessor will sign all tasks in “section 7”
or
The captain or training officer’s competence level must be documented by a copy of the national certificate and any endorsement + assessment carried out on a vessel with a Norwegian approved assessor. If you use the ISF Cadet Book, the assessor will sign all tasks in “Section 7”.

[brjones]

I always thought cadets have to get paid the going cadet wage ( which is more than double then when I was a cadet). However I heard some cadets years ago getting qmed wages in the gulf?

[New3M]

Pretty sure MARAD requires it. Are you not getting paid as a cadet?

[jbtam99]

@brjones

However I heard some cadets years ago getting qmed wages in the gulf?

Certain idiotic HR departments in OSV companies have been paying cadets AB/QMED wages in the gulf since back when I was a cadet. Was kinda a kick in the nuts to find out a classmate was getting $150 a day on a supply boat while I was getting $21 a day with Mormac, but I guess if the companies want to overpay, that’s their problem.

I think the federally mandated rate for cadets is $33 a day though now. If you ship in a foreign company’s cadet program though, you might find that it’s an “unpaid internship” from stories I’ve heard.

[Kgers]

The weird thing is that I’m on a US flagged vessel. Does anyone know where to look in the cfr to get any insight on the cadet minimum?

[saltyseamen]

46CFR 310.60 only applies to KP Midshipmen and not to the state academies. If you’re not at KP, you may be SOL.

[Kennebec_Captain]

Did someone specifically tell you you’re not getting paid?

[New3M]

@Kgers

The weird thing is that I’m on a US flagged vessel. Does anyone know where to look in the cfr to get any insight on the cadet minimum?

What? Time to give the full story. What school are you from, and what company are you out as a cadet with? Every company I’ve ever worked for has paid cadets. Have you talked to the schools cadet shipping coordinator about this?

[Kgers]

I’m out of glma working on an ATB on the great lakes. The cadet on one of the other boats is also not getting paid. I guess they told him the we (cadets) are volunteer workers.

[Kgers]

Yes

[Kennebec_Captain]

@Kgers

I guess they told him…

Not a good idea to guess, first thing you need to do is find out what’s happening from a reliable source.

[saltyseamen]

You’re getting paid in “experience”. Maybe it’s a lesson not to work for them after you graduate. You’re not there for a job though, you’re there to get sea time and exposure to the industry. I know it isn’t ideal, but at this point it would be best for you to just suck it up and make the most of it. You never know what could happen from this experience and you could end up with some very good contacts. Try to put a positive spin on it. And definitely don’t complain to the crew about it.

[Kennebec_Captain]

@saltyseamen

And definitely don’t complain to the crew about it.

If I was on a ship working and not getting paid the crew would never hear the end of it.

[New3M]

I would talk to somebody at your school. Sounds like a bunch of shit to me.