Brexit - Norway may close access to its waters to EU and British fishing

[ombugge]

Now imagine what is left of the EEZ if Scotland and NI breaks away from the UK:

BTW; Majority of the UK oil fields are in what would become the Scottish EEZ

[spork]

There was talk of the Shetland and Orkney Islands declaring independence from Scotland and the UK, many of the younger more profitable oil and gas fields would be in their hypothetical EEZ, Scotland would mostly be left with the older less profitable oil fields that are in need of expensive decommissioning. Also some of the best fishing grounds would be in the Shetlands and Orkney EEZ.

[ombugge]

They’ll be welcome back!!!:

This resulted in Harald Hårfagre forming a large fleet and around the
year 875 Harald and his men took control of, and annexed, both the
Orkney and Shetland Islands. Both these island groups were then
established as an Earldom governed by Rangvald Mørejarl. Harald gave
the Orkney Islands and Shetland (then known as Hjaltland) to Rangvald
Mørejarl as compensation for the loss of his unmarried son Ivar, who
had been killed in battle in Scotland. Rangvald Mørejarl passed the
islands on to his brother Sigurd Eysteinsson, who was known as Sigurd den mektige

http://www.kringen1612.no/SkottlandENG.htm

[spork]

The Kalmar Union lost Orkney and Shetland because the King couldn’t afford to pay his daughters dowry and he had used the islands as collateral to back the dowry.

I wonder if Denmark or Norway tried to pay the dowry now they could try and claim the islands back haha.

The Orkney and Shetland islands came under Scottish control on 20 February 1472 after they had been used as security for the wedding dowry of Margaret of Denmark, the future wife of King James III of Scotland. The marriage was seen as a way of uniting Denmark and Scotland, following years of disagreements about taxation of the Hebrides Islands.

Margaret’s father Christian of Denmark had agreed to a large dowry for his daughter’s wedding and pledged the islands of Orkney and Shetland as security until the dowry was paid, as he lacked the funds to pay the dowry up front.

The islands of Orkney and Shetland passed into Scottish ownership - On this...

[LI_Domer]

@spork

I wonder if Denmark or Norway tried to pay the dowry now they could try and claim the islands back haha.

Yea but how much would the dowry be, adjusted for inflation?

[spork]

Interesting question, from what I can find the dowry was 50000 florins for Orkney and 8000 florins for Shetland, English florins from that time weighed 7 grams of gold, today a gram of gold is worth $59.46.

58000 x 7 x 59.46 = $24,140,760

[ombugge]

@spork

The Kalmar Union lost Orkney and Shetland

That Union was Fake. The Danes cheated us out of a win. Norway became colonized, lost it’s freedom and all it’s “overseas possessions”, incl. Greenland, Iceland and the islands you mentioned., among others.

We should have organized a mob and stormed Amalienborg to claim back our rightful property.
Is it too late??

[Anonnymouus]

And in interest?

[ombugge]

Don’t let us get too technical here.
In our day and age it is a question of “The Will of the People”. (defined as what I think “the people” want)

If the people on Orkney and Shetland decide to get back to their roots, so be it.
Who’s to going them the right to self-determination??

[ombugge]

Back to fishery after Brexit:

Norway’s fisheries negotiations with the EU and the UK start on Tuesday

On Tuesday afternoon, they will start delayed negotiations between Norway, the EU and the United Kingdom on the so-called common stocks in the North Sea.

• It is important that we jointly agree on total quotas and management measures so that we can ensure sustainable management of these fish stocks, says Minister of Fisheries and Seafood Odd Emil Ingebrigtsen (H).
  An agreement was initially supposed to be in place before the new year, but the negotiations have been postponed as a result of the Brexit negotiations. This is the first time the United Kingdom has participated as a separate party.
• We hope to reach an agreement with the negotiations quickly, but considering the conditions, one can not ignore the fact that this may take some time, says the Minister.

Norway has framework agreements on fisheries cooperation with both the EU and the United Kingdom. The framework agreement with the EU dates from 1980, while the framework agreement with the United Kingdom was signed in September. The framework agreements do not touch on specific issues such as zone access and quota exchange. This must therefore be agreed annually.
The negotiation meeting, which will be digital, was attended by representatives from the public administration and business interests in the EU, the United Kingdom and Norway. The Ministry of Trade and Industry, the Norwegian Directorate of Fisheries and the Institute of Marine Research participated from Norway. (© NPK)

[Anonnymouus]

Seems the folks of Orkney and Shetland are comfortable with their current arrangement.