Another reason why the US needs to build some serious new bigassed icebreakers


#121

Here is a bunch of recent photographs from the construction of LK-60:

That cast steel stem looks pretty awesome. Still, the US can’t match this?

Here’s some corrections and additional information to the article you posted above:

The Baltiisky Yard is also constructing the world’s most powerful diesel-engined icebreaker. The LK-25 (project 22600) will be 146,8 meters long and have a deadweight of 22258 tons. It will have a crew of 38 and will be able to operate autonomously for 60 days in up to two meters thick ice. The vessel named “Viktor Chernomyrdin". It is built for the Russian state company Rosmorport and was orginally to be completed by the end of 2015. However, delays have been reported from the yard.

All construction stopped in December 2013 when the vessel was discovered to be 2,500 tons overweight and as a result the draft was increased by about 70 cm (2.3 ft). Icebreakers are not only weight critical as the designers discovered, but also draft critical in such way that if the maximum design draft is exceeded, the hull no longer “works” because the parts designed for icebreaking would be submerged. They say the project is 24 to 28 months behind schedule, but on the Russian online forum some guys said that while there’s a lot of activity around LK-60 (the new nuclear-powered icebreaker), nothing is happening on the nearby slip where only a few blocks of LK-25 have been laid down. If you check the link above, you can see the current state of LK-25 in the second photograph, on the right hand side.

Project 21180
Also the Russian Armed Forces and the oil industry are ordering icebreakers. The Admiralty Yard in St.Petersburg in late April this year started the construction of the first of four icebreakers of the 21180 project for the Ministry of Defence. The diesel-engined “Ilya Muromets” will be 84 meters long, 20 meters wide and will have a cruising capacity of 60 days. It is planned to be ready by 2017.

While these are listed here among “real” icebreakers, they are more comparable to the icebreaking rescue vessels delivered from Nordic Yards this year. They can break about 60-80 cm ice. Since naval ships are under EU sanctions, these ships will be the first icebreakers fitted with Russian-made azimuth thrusters instead of units made by ABB, Steerprop or Rolls-Royce. We’ll see…

Gas company Novatek and its Yamal LNG project will need icebreaker assistance for its grand Sabetta port on the Yamal Peninsula coast. In April this year, Rosatom signed a contract with the Vyborg Yard on the construction of a 10 MW icebreaker which is accompany tankers to and from Sabetta. The deal is part of Rosatom’s bigger agreement with the Yamal LNG consortium.

The port icebreaker is based on Aker Arctic’s “Aker ARC 124” design with four 2.5 MW azimuth thrusters: two in the stern, two in the bow. The vessel is designed specifically to operate in the thick brash ice in the port of Sabetta.

Oil company Gazprom Neft has ordered a 22 MW icebreakers from the Vyborg Yard. The vessel, which is designed by the Finnish Aker Arctic Technology, will operate in the Ob Bay where the company is in the process of opening the Novy Port oil project.

[I]Two[/I] 22 MW icebreakers based on Aker Arctic’s “Aker ARC 130 A” design. Again, the vessel has two azimuth thrusters in the stern and one in the bow, being a further developmend of the icebreaker concept developed for the Finnish government. These ships are something to look forward to - in terms of raw power and level icebreaking capability, they are no match for the nuclear-powered monsters, but in ridged ice fields and other challenging conditions they can outrun and outmaneuver pretty much everything.

By the way, here are some Azipods intended for the Finnish icebreaker, fresh from the factory. The new Russian ones will have similar units:

Project 21900
Another three diesel-engined vessels of the project 21900 are under construction at the Vyborg Yard. One of them, the “Vladivostok”, is to be ready for handover to owner Rosmorport in the course of spring 2015, while another two, the “Murmansk” and the “Novorossiisk” are to be completed in the course of the year. Two other ships of the kind have already been constructed at the Baltic Yard in 2008 and 2009 respectively. The project 21900 project is developed for large-scale oil tanker assistance, as well as towing, transportation and rescue missions in icy waters.

Icebreaker R-70202
In the Russian-owned Arctech Helsinki Shipyard, an icebreaker of the type R-70202 is under construction. The “Murmansk” vessel was floated out of the yard dry dock in April this year and a second vessel of the type is in the process.

“Project 21900” and “Icebreaker R-70202” actually refer to the same type of vessels. Three Project 21900M icebreakers of conventional twin azimuth design are under construction: two at Vyborg Shipyard (Vladivostok and Novorossiysk) and one at Arctech (Murmansk). These are a further development of the two existing Project 21900 icebreakers, Moskva and Sankt-Peterburg.

Let’s conclude this with a quote from Coast Guard Commandant Paul Zukunft:

“We have eight times the GDP — probably about eight and a half right now — of Russia,” he said. “Russia has a fleet of over 25 ocean-going icebreakers. They’re building six new nuclear icebreaker. And here we are trying to cobble together and maybe reactivate a 37-year-old icebreaker. Because that’s the best we can do.”


#122

Why did I just get a mental image of you riding a nuke down like Slim Pickens in Strangelove? :wink:


#123

well, looks like our intrepid boys (and girls) in blue suits will be getting at least one new icebreaker sometime in the next decade

[B]Senate bills fund ten Navy, six USCG ships[/B]

MAY 27, 2016 — The Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday approved the FY2017 Defense Appropriations Bill and the FY2017 Homeland Security Bill.

The defense bill recommends $20.5 billion for Navy shipbuilding, an increase of $2.1 billion and three ships over the budget request. The shipbuilding program includes $1.0 billion to construct the first U.S.-made icebreaker in more than 25 years.

The homeland security measure funds six new Coast Guard vessels.

In all, the defense bill would fund 10 new Navy ships.: two Virginia class submarines, three DDG-51 destroyers, three Littoral Combat Ships, one LHA amphibious assault ship, and one Polar Icebreaker.

The bill also fully funds advance procurement activities for the Ohio replacement submarine and aircraft carrier replacement programs.

The homeland security measure provides $10.4 billion for the d Coast Guard, an increase of $292 million above the FY2017 requested level.

“This level supports a robust USCG operating expenses budget, including a grant program for commercial fishing safety, purchase of additional response boats, and funds for the National Coast Guard Museum,” says the Committee. “This bill also provides necessary increases for acquisitions, including funding long lead time materials for a tenth National Security Cutter, continuing activities associated with the Offshore Patrol Cutter, two additional Fast Response Cutters (for six total), and support for multiple sustainment efforts and program offices such as the C-130J, C-27J, and HH-65. The measure also includes program management and personnel costs associated with the Polar Icebreaker Recapitalization Project in addition to funding in the Senate FY2017 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill.”

The two measures were praised by the Shipbuilders Council of America, which noted that the Defense and Homeland Security appropriations markups come on the heels of last week’s Sea-Air-Space Exhibition, where leaders of the maritime industry called for the restoration of a 350-ship Navy and a cohesive national maritime strategy.

“There has never been a more critical time to support the men and women of our armed forces as they face daily threats from international aggressors,” said Matthew Paxton, President of the Shipbuilders Council of America (SCA). “Not only is the Senate Appropriations Committee investing in our Naval Fleet, they are also investing in the U.S. shipyard industrial base that builds, maintains and supplies these vessels.”

Last month, SCA applauded the Senate appropriators for providing $75 million to complete a new survey vessel for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and $159 million for the design and construction of three National Science Foundation Regional Class Research Vessels in the FY 2017 Commerce, Justice, Science appropriations bill.

amazing about how everybody kept talking about needing a billion dollars to build one and poof, a billion dollars is appropriated just like that. No chance to see if a good ship could be built for anything less. You know now of course, it will be way OVER a billion to build one when all the cost overruns come in. So who is the likely winner of this contract? NASSCO and Ingalls would be the odds on favorites but then there is Marinette. I also wonder if Vigor could be a contender? Personally, I believe NASSCO to be the best to build this ship but we will have to see. You have to know it will be butt ugly when it is completed and woefully inadequate just like the HEALY but at least the Congress is at least willing to pay for one. I only wished they had not included the three LCSs that are also in the Bill but you can’t have everything.


#124

Should save ourselves some cash and completely strip the Polar Sea and rebuild her with modern equipment using the hull she has. Just moved her to pier 36 base in Seattle the other day and the hull is in excellent condition. One would think that it would cost 1/2 as much to go that route.


#125

Can someone please enlighten me about how notch towing works with an icebreaker? Thanks.


#126

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;185172]Can someone please enlighten me about how notch towing works with an icebreaker? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

All you want to know about Notch Towing in ice, the Russian way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-15_(ship)

I was involved with one of the SA-15 ships discharging project cargo from Houston for a pulp mill under construction in East Kalimantan, Indonesia. (Just about on Equator, the last place you would expect to find a ship of this type)

I took a lot of pictures, but this was before the electronic camera age so no longer available.
Here is the best picture I can find on the web of the notch arrangement:

In principle the bow of a second ship with less ice capability can be pulled into the notch for protection while passing through ice flows, or an ice breaker can push from the stern to increase power when breaking fresh ice. (Many Russian and Finnish Ice Breakers has this notch arrangement as well, I believe)

As far as I can find out there are none of them left today.


#127

It hadn’t occurred to me that a ship would have the capability to crush ice and tow another ship at the same time. Now I understand the necessity for a massive amount of power i.e. nuclear.


#128

[QUOTE=Lee Shore;185180]It hadn’t occurred to me that a ship would have the capability to crush ice and tow another ship at the same time. Now I understand the necessity for a massive amount of power i.e. nuclear.[/QUOTE]

Towing is not strictly right, normally the second ship would be running their engine, either to increase power, or just to stay firmly in the notch. (Although winches are used to obtain a pit of pressure on the fenders)


#129

Mudder Rooshia WINS and the US of UhMurika LOSES!

[B]Russia Launches World’s Biggest, Most Powerful Icebreaker[/B]

June 16, 2016

The new Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker Arktika launches in St. Petersburg, Russia, on Thursday. Russia has been modernizing its icebreaker fleet as part of its efforts to strengthen its Arctic presence.


The new Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker Arktika launches in St. Petersburg, Russia, on Thursday. Russia has been modernizing its icebreaker fleet as part of its efforts to strengthen its Arctic presence.
Evgeny Uvarov/AP

Russia launched the world’s biggest, most powerful icebreaker on Thursday in St. Petersburg.

The Arktika is 568 feet long and powered by two nuclear reactors. It can break through ice 13 feet deep, NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly reports.

The ship set forth early, ahead of its planned 2017 launch, according to Sputnik News and the shipyard where the Arktika was built.

“She is one of several new icebreakers planned for Russia’s growing fleet — a fleet already bigger than all other countries, combined,” Mary Louise reports.

“Russian interest in the Arctic is rising, as global warming opens up shipping routes and access to mineral resources.”

In addition to launching new icebreakers, Russia is building new bases in the Arctic Circle and modernizing its nuclear submarines.

The steps are “unmistakable signals of Russia’s intent to reassert itself on the global stage,” Mary Louise says.

As we’ve previously reported, the U.S. Coast Guard currently operates one heavy icebreaker that can access the Arctic, as well as one smaller research vessel.

Russia has more than two dozen oceangoing icebreakers, Adm. Paul Zukunft, commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard, told NPR’s Jackie Northam last year.

Five countries have territorial claims to the Arctic’s lands and waters: the U.S., Russia Canada, Norway and Denmark.

568feet? I WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER COLD WAR!


#130

Great pics, links, and thread.


#131

Looks like an icebreaking Noah’s Ark. Better stay out of Norway’s waters with that thing! Going to have to change the business plan, heck with MARAD money, going to start the IAOA - International Ark Owners Association. Lobbyist money, yeah now we’re talking.


#132

[QUOTE=KPChief;185899]Looks like an icebreaking Noah’s Ark. Better stay out of Norway’s waters with that thing! [/QUOTE]

no worries…I am certain the Rooskies are going to appoint their highest grade ark master to command her and besides our Putin loving comrades don’t have to worry about having problems in Norwegian waters…

it’s Sweden where they have a tough time getting out of


#133

[QUOTE=c.captain;185886]Mudder Rooshia WINS and the US of UhMurika LOSES![/QUOTE]

It’s amazing what can be done when your looking at things beyond funding the next election campaign.


#134

A couple of things going on here - China has pretty much “taken over” the S. China Sea & Russia is controlling the Arctic - and we don’t seem to have a problem with it.


#135

[QUOTE=Bluefin;186054]A couple of things going on here - China has pretty much “taken over” the S. China Sea & Russia is controlling the Arctic - and we don’t seem to have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]

If you have a problem, what are you going to do about it, “Nuke them”??

The way to solve differences is not by arms, but by negotiations. You cannot win wars simply by “Sending in the Marines” anymore, or by bombing people into obliteration. The risk is you will be obliterated yourself.

Has any recent war, or conflict, been settle with arms alone?? The answer is NO. Not since the Second World War.

The power of Nukes are only there if others think you are prepared to use them first. No SENSIBLE US President, or other leader of a nuclear state, would do that!! (Although there may be an exception coming on the scene in the near future??)

Nukes have deterrent power, however. Mainly because others know that you have the capability to hit back and kill everybody on this planet earth.


#136

Sigh.

The time to nuke everyone was before everyone had nukes back in the late forties. It wouldn’t be such a good idea now.


#137

[QUOTE=Bluefin;186054]A couple of things going on here - China has pretty much “taken over” the S. China Sea & Russia is controlling the Arctic - and we don’t seem to have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]

I dunno aboot that.

The US has been transferring a lot of (old) assets to the Philippines. Three Hamilton-class cutters, ex-RV Melville, and there’s more in the works. This is just the last couple years.

Philippines is looking to beef up their navy fast, in response to Chinese expansionism. And we are helping them with ships and $$$


#138

Crowley towed a decommissioned FFG from Philly down to Detyens last week. It’s going to get an overhaul and be commissioned into the Taiwanese navy. There is at least a dozen more Figs that can get the same treatment sitting up in the basin up there.


#139

Did Congress approve funding for new icebreakers?


#140

look at this one, another nice round of bullying/lobbying by Mr. Don Young himself! Trying to get the AIVIQ ‘sold’ (= leased) to the USCG.