But I don’t suppose the tug provider had any of these available.
It was the same in my district where I wanted as many 80t + ASD’s or Rotors strapped on when conditions got challenging to bully my 400m box boat the way I wanted it to go , whereas my colleagues upriver would much prefer a couple of 30t Voiths or similar to nudge the overgrown daddy’s yachts like warships and STS 's around.
In Norfolk they reach out to the smaller tug companies, this even before the big tractor tugs came out. These were not from the main ship docking tug companies.
I agree that it is very difficult to accurately quantify the vector and quantifying it is a moot point. The magnitude of the vector is irrelevant.
There are some members here who believe that the tug did not contribute to the sternway and that is fine. I firmly believe that it did and the reason that I raised it is, as professionals, we are seeking causation. This is but one factor.
The drawing with vector sollutions as provided by @By-C is a bit exaggereted but it perfectly demonstrates the tug influence . Since we do not know exactly the CPP setting and what speed/thrust it represented and obviously we do not know the tug power setting the drawiing has only illustrative value.
And whom would You call here to solve this equations??? Only alias @Earl_Boebert1 come to my mind and for this equations one needs some values too.
added: how about tug’s angle of attack?? these were not constant all the time but were variable as well as forces/thrusts applied. T|he object trajectory was not a straight line either . It was a some kind of curvature the shape of which can only be extracted by carefull plotting . As far as I am concerned it is too much work .Let NTSB Gurus take care of that .
late to the party - love all the vector diagrams - but with the little experience I have - I can’t see how that tug - without a line up - can add any appreciable sternway at all. I don’t care what he was doing to stay at a 90 - without a line up - all he could add was rotational force.
Well… we have several pilots here .Let them elaborate Ithink I am not up to the task. My extensive experience is only standing on the bridge
Added . BTW why do U think we put woodden dunnage or sometimes rubber dunnage between heavy pcs of cargo and toptanks/ H.Covers surface when cgo is to be deposited. ???. The pproper answer is to increase the friction.
I think analyzing the various forces is probably not worthwhile. More likely the focus will be on BRM wrt trapping the error with the CPP in a timely manner.
You may be right. Dr.Sal surely has sources not available to average Joe like me . Observation: You do not sound (sorry!!!) read like a Londoner . This makes two of us here
Yea - at least from my perspective the question isn’t what happened - pretty sure we know the CPP was full astern is what happened.
The question now is when, as in when did it happen? When did the pilot/crew notice?
and why - why did it happen ?
My guess is the investigation will find some stuff people could have done better, but the overwhelming cause will be the mechanical failure of the CPP at a really bad time.