American politics

An Opinion by national columnist Dana Milbank makes a humorous comparison to wartime POTUS FDR to so called wartime POTUS D J Trump.

Trump calls cease fire after Pearl Harbor

WASHINGTON — In 1939, Albert Einstein wrote secretly to President Franklin D. Roosevelt about the potential need for “quick action” toward the development of atomic weapons.

After Roosevelt received a scientific briefing, he is said to have called in his military aide, Gen. Edwin “Pa” Watson. “Pa! This requires action!” FDR said.

Thus began what would become the Manhattan Project, a sprawling collaboration among the military, academics and corporations, ultimately employing 130,000 and spending the then-extraordinary sum of $2.2 billion in successfully building the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Oak Ridge, Tennessee, worked on uranium; Chicago worked on plutonium; Hanford, Washington, built reactors; Los Alamos, New Mexico, designed bombs; and Alamogordo, New Mexico, held testing.

One can imagine how things might have gone if Donald Trump had been the president who received Einstein’s letter: After two months, he would have congratulated himself for a “phenomenal job,” wound down his atomic task force and left the whole nuclear thing to the states.

Texas would compete with Florida for uranium, while New Jersey and Ohio bid up plutonium prices.

New York, making bombs, wouldn’t be in touch with Washington state, which would be retrofitting the B-29 without specs.

J. Robert Oppenheimer, complaining about the lack of coordination, would be demoted and denied whistleblower protection.

The bombs wouldn’t work properly in tests, the bombers would take off without enough fuel, Trump would blame the governor of Michigan — and we’d all be speaking Japanese.

Trump has declared himself a “wartime president” and on Wednesday afternoon he asserted that “we went through the worst attack we’ve ever had on our country,” calling the pandemic “worse than Pearl Harbor.”

Yet, incredibly, he is declaring a premature cease-fire against a virus that has killed more than 70,000 Americans — by coincidence the same number killed the day the bomb fell on Nagasaki. Congratulating his coronavirus task force for a “phenomenal job,” Trump indicated Tuesday that he would shut it down — then reversed himself Wednesday after a resulting furor, saying he “had no idea how popular the task force is.”

Instead of mobilizing the nation for testing, contact tracing, antivirals and vaccines, he declared that his administration did a “phenomenal job” and applauded the reopening of workplaces, while calling for schools to reopen without adequate protections in place. Vice President Pence thinks “we could largely have this coronavirus epidemic behind us” in just a few weeks.

On Capitol Hill on Wednesday, scientists again pleaded for a stronger response. “We risk complacency in accepting the preventable deaths of 2,000 Americans each day,” Caitlin Rivers of Johns Hopkins University told a House panel. She said the country is doing only a third of the testing needed “to gain control of this outbreak” and warned that we could “again create the conditions that led to us being the worst affected country in the world.”

Tom Frieden, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that “governments and private companies must join forces to make massive continued investments in testing.”

And the Trump administration? It boycotted the hearing, refusing to let top doctor Anthony Fauci testify. Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., the panel’s ranking Republican, protested, saying Fauci’s testimony would have been “useful to this country.”

But Trump talks about the pandemic as if it has passed. “We have saved millions of lives, but now we’re going to make our comeback,” he said in the Oval Office on Wednesday, as a nurse standing behind him, protected neither by mask nor social distancing, twiddled his thumbs.

Trump congratulates himself for “an incredible job on testing,” backing that up once again Wednesday with his wildly false claim that the United States has tested more than all other countries combined. He said states “have everything they need” and that if any American worker is nervous about possible exposure and wants to get a test, “they should have no problem.”

Perhaps because the White House has loads of tests — those coming near Trump are tested repeatedly — Trump doesn’t realize most Americans who want tests still can’t get them. On Wednesday, I tried — and failed — to arrange a test for an 85-year-old family member with cancer and diabetes.

Trump’s idea of a Manhattan Project is apparently to install a Manhattan real estate investor — Jared Kushner — in charge of a group of volunteers prioritizing protective-equipment requests from Fox News personalities. Without a federal government empowering a real Manhattan Project, some scientists, billionaires and industrialists have tried to form their own, the Wall Street Journal reports. But group members recognize their ideas “could be ignored altogether by the Trump administration.”

Of course they’ll be ignored. Trump has already declared an early and unilateral cease-fire with the virus. In his perverse version of a Manhattan Project, the Enola Gay has taken off, but the pilot has no flight plan and the bomb is still a prototype in the model shop.

Sayonara. Blockquote

Milbank’s columns usually get right to the meat of the matter.

Trump calls cese-fire after Pearl Harbor

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A Dan Quayle moment for our POTUS ?

Op-Ed: A ‘Pearl Harbor moment’? Maybe. But Trump is no FDR

When U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams said recently that the coronavirus crisis would “be our Pearl Harbor moment,” he unwittingly opened a debate on President Trump’s leadership amid the COVID-19 catastrophe. He was alluding to Dec. 7, 1941 — when more than 3,500 American soldiers and civilians were killed or wounded in the surprise Japanese attack — and today’s deaths, but his comment also reminds us of the extraordinary differences between the divisive presidency of Donald Trump and the unifying presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

For years prior to Pearl Harbor, FDR attempted to build bridges to his Republican opponents and encourage them to support his government. When the U.S. finally entered World War II, that outreach helped to bring the nation together in an all-out war effort. Trump, on the other hand, has savaged his Democratic opponents and other perceived enemies at every turn, hindered America’s ability to stamp out the pandemic and put the U.S. into the running for the nation with the least effective response to COVID-19.

Recent reporting makes it clear that Trump had ample warning of the pandemic and its potential toll on human life and the economy at least as early as Jan. 29, and yet at a campaign rally in late February, the president was still dismissing the novel coronavirus as the Democrats’ “new hoax.” In a single phrase, he mocked legitimate worries about COVID-19; disregarded disaster warnings from scientists, intelligence agencies and others in his administration; and accused the Democrats (again) of dirty tricks.

Roosevelt’s record was very different indeed. Without belittling Republicans, throughout the 1930s he repeatedly appealed to isolationist members of both parties to awaken to the dangers of fascism. Then, nearly two years before the attack on Pearl Harbor, FDR brought two prominent Republicans, Henry Stimson and Frank Knox, into his Cabinet in a bid to unite the nation in support of his effort to prepare for war against Germany and Japan.

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Stimson had served as secretary of War under one previous Republican president and secretary of State under another. Knox, a newspaper publisher and sharp critic of FDR’s New Deal, had run unsuccessfully as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate in 1936. Stimson was named secretary of War, and Knox, secretary of the Navy in June 1940. FDR said the appointments were aimed at building “national solidarity.”

Would Trump ever try to build bipartisan unity by asking the 2016 Democratic vice presidential candidate, Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, to join his Cabinet? It’s unimaginable.

Roosevelt specifically wanted advisors who would challenge him. Less than two weeks after Pearl Harbor, it was Knox who convinced FDR that the Navy should issue a report bluntly acknowledging that American forces “were not on alert against the surprise air attack on Hawaii.” Critics question whether Knox’s admission and FDR’s launch of an investigation did enough to acknowledge government failures at Pearl Harbor, but they were at least first steps toward transparency. We will wait forever for the Trump administration to make a candid admission about missteps on COVID-19.

Unfortunately, Trump has repeatedly shown that he fears internal debate, prefers the company of sycophants and yes men, and can’t admit even the dangers of the pandemic, let alone his too-little, too-late reaction. He has repeatedly dismissed appointees — his chief of staff, his secretary of Defense, his national security advisor — who dared to disagree with him, and undermined others (Dr. Anthony Fauci, for one).

There have been some “national solidarity,” bipartisan moments in the coronavirus crisis, but they have come in spite of Trump, not because of his leadership. Democrats and Republicans in Congress joined to pass a massive COVID-19 response bill last month. Still, it was largely a transactional measure, and the next phase of legislative relief is mired in partisan politicking that Trump is exacerbating.

Trump has said no one could have known what the coronavirus would become; Roosevelt, Stimson and Knox anticipated war early on. Nearly a year before Japan attacked, in early 1941, they convinced Congress to launch the massive, expensive Lend-Lease program. It dramatically expanded production of aircraft, battleships and other materiel necessary to help our allies fight the Nazis and, not coincidentally, gave the U.S. a running start on its own defenses. In contrast, although America’s vulnerability to a viral epidemic was proved by federal studies in recent years, the Trump administration repeatedly sought cuts in the budget of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and in 2018, Trump’s national security advisor, John Bolton, disbanded a team working within the National Security Council to address the threat of pandemics.

After Pearl Harbor, FDR and his Republican allies were positioned to work together with career military leaders like Gen. George C. Marshall and Adm. Chester Nimitz to lead a carefully planned, all-hands war effort over the next four years. Trump, even once the federal “stay at home” guidelines were announced, and as states have struggled for masks and ventilators, has repeatedly rebuffed calls from health experts, legislators and governors for broad federal coordination of resources and infrastructure to fight COVID-19.

Jay Inslee, the Democratic governor of Washington, pointing to Adams’ Pearl Harbor comparison, commented on Trump’s pattern of avoiding a national mobilization effort by pushing responsibility onto states: “Can you imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, ‘I’ll be right behind you, Connecticut. Good luck building those battleships.’ ”

The loss of life and the national sense of tragedy may make the early months in the COVID-19 pandemic seem like a repeat of the days and weeks after Dec. 7, 1941. But with Trump in the White House, this isn’t a Pearl Harbor moment. The American people sadly have no reason to expect anything like the extraordinary leadership that FDR displayed in uniting us to achieve victory in World War II.

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Op-Ed: A ‘Pearl Harbor moment’? Maybe. But Trump is no FDR

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POTUS45 isn’t a pimple on the ass of FDR.

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So you’re totally discounting the napalm theory? OK…

Who knew they were pulling in such high ratings?!? That needed to stop. There’s no room for their jibber jabber in a race for ratings.

I just got a bill for $660 from an ambulance company who transported my wife across the street from the clinic to the hospital 500 feet away. Can’t wait for the bill for her corona virus test, which thankfully came up negative. Our medical system is ‘beautiful, it’s like a miracle, very powerful’.

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I’ve stayed off of this thread & mostly ignored it because I know it is just therapeutic venting for Anti-Trumpers but as an independent Libertarian who didn’t vote for Trump I felt compelled to chime in on the above nonsense. Time for me to vent too I guess.

I’ve heard hundreds of liberal Democrats claim prior to LBJ the Democrats & Republicans were on other ends of the political spectrum because the Democrats don’t want any part of the Democrats long history supporting of slavery & civil rights oppression. To cherry pick times & subjects of when Democrats were real Democrats & when Republican were undercovered Democrats is bullshit. So in FDR’s Jim Crow era who were supposed to be the good guys & bad guys again? All the cherry picking of political parties has me confused. Regardless, after Pearl Harbor, almost everyone mostly put the political partisanship aside for the sake of the nation & fought for their lives. Kudos to them.

That is exactly the opposite of what the Democrats have done. In January when there were still time to do something about the coronavirus the ruling party of the House, all the Democrats in the Senate & the majority of the American media spent 100% of their time & energy on 1 thing & 1 thing only, “Impeach Trump”. Even the liberals on this forum didn’t care about the coronavirus & every other thread was about getting rid & insulting Trump. Obviously under a direct attack Trump & his supporters did what they could from a defensive stance. How many lives were saved by the impeachment farce? Not a fucking one!!! I had to stop to think & remember what that useless impeachment & wasted time was all about. Off the top of my head I first thought Russia conclusion but no, it was about a phone call that I read 4 times that sounds like any other phone call between politicians. The Democrats & the anti-Trump media royally fucked the American people & are complicit in the deaths of over 70,000 covid19 victims with their bullshit political distractions of January '20. They will never admit it though because they are a bunch of dumbasses who still are focused one 1 thing & 1 thing only which is getting back at Trump for winning. And it’s sad because they would be tickled pink if everyone in the nation was unemployed & bankrupt because their political strategists told them that would increase the chances of Trump losing finally. I wish the US could get January '20 back but unfortunately I believe the Democrats wouldn’t use a redo to prevent coronavirus but would put 100% of their energies to Impeaching Trump for some other piece of bullshit.

That’s my 2 cents. Consider me vented.

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Your bald faced vitriol and conspiracy theories about Democrats are duly noted.

Now, go back to Plan A - stay off this thread and ignore it.

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How DARE someone without TDS post on this thread!!!..On another note. Barr seems to have Shiff and several obummer’s minions assholes sucking buttermilk. Interesting to see how this plays out.

jamesbrown ,I am sorry you lost your ass in the stock market. Trump didn’t make your choices. You did. Everything was on sale last month, you missed out.

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Barr is about to get his come uppings from a federal judge who doesn’t tolerate the kind of spurious games being played in the Flynn matter.

Regretfully, I voted for Trump in 2016. I’m not going to make that mistake again. Turns out he was like a dog chasing a car … once he caught it, he didn’t have a clue what to do with it.

One and done …

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Perhaps, you have a better solution to someone that doesn’t give a shit about status quo?

From Day One POTUS45’s whole shtick has been, "I’m great and anyone who says different is a shmuck. And if you don’t like that, you’re a traitor.”

Millions of voters hired POTUS45 on the strength of this personality disorder. Now they’re seeing what they’ve bought. You wanted a counter-puncher for president? Don’t cry to me if the enemies he needlessly made punch back. What did you think would happen? Leaders de-escalate dangerous situations. Thugs egg them on.

How dare you call POTUS45 a liar! According to him, he never sweated the impeachment. Had plenty of time to rage-tweet, stage rallies, golf, and hold a Super Bowl party. Could he have spared a few moments to actually watch out for the Republic? Nah.

Pity POTUS45’s supporters. They’ve tangled themselves in so much loopy logic they’ve come full circle and joined the TDS-crowd: they don’t believe a word the man says:
Jan 21: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
Jan 30: “We think we have it very much under control.”
Feb 02: “We pretty much shut it down, coming from China.”
Feb 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12… Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”
Feb 25: “People are getting better, they’re all getting better.”
Feb 26: “And the 15 in a couple of days is gonna be down to close to zero.”
Feb 28: “Coronavirus. This is the new hoax… You’ll be fine.”

Not even his supporters believe him. Yet they back him up.

You might add a few Libertarians, who were perfectly fine with the Dow taking a dump, so they could snap up all those cheep, cheep stock deals. I read a guy somewhere…where was that?..

According to polls, over half of America wanted POTUS45 impeached and removed ( also, one Republican senator). Why did you leave them off your list? Something like 125 million people wanted POTUS45 out, because, at the crux, they found his judgment to be terrible at best and venal at worst. Man, when 125 million people say, “I told you so,” it’s frikken loud.

You have no idea what “distraction” means.
Franklin Roosevelt had to simultaneously deal with 11 years of economic Depression, a Dust Bowl, the job of arming Britain and getting the U.S. military in shape for a war he knew was coming, all while dealing with the opposing party and bankers tarring him a Socialist and a Commie–and, oh yeah, the man was paralyzed from the waist down. Then Pearl Harbor came along, and he still managed to galvanize an entire nation had help us win a war.

That’s how a leader deals with distractions. The incumbent isn’t worthy to pump air into the tires of FDR’s wheelchair.

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Oh, by the way, more recent history:

  • POTUS44 declared swine flu (H1N1) a public health emergency six weeks before H1N1 was declared a pandemic. No H1N1 deaths had yet been recorded in the United States.
  • Six months after that initial declaration, when more than 1,000 deaths had occurred, POTUS44 declared H1N1 a national emergency.

And he managed to do it while his detractors called him a terrorist, said he wasn’t a citizen, made making him a one-term president Job Number One, and kept investigating him for Benghazi. Distractions, distractions…

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I get perhaps you don’t like Trump. What other better choices are out there ? Sure you have an answer. I didn’t vote for Trump first time around, but tending that way. He is crazy as fuck sometimes in his “Tweets” and wish he would stop that stuff. But does give the government headaches in exposing the crap they do. The guy puts cheese in the mouse trap. the Dems bite. Laugh my ass off.

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I’m going to take RiverRats advice & give this thread another 10 day break. I’ll leave the “Trump is the root of all evil” support group thread for a while but will come back if things slow down. Maybe when a hurricane pops up so I can perpetuate the idea of using a nuclear bomb to blow it up? That really had anti-Trumpers fired up. I liked that, that was a lot of fun.

But I do want to clarify something that I must of not explained well enough. I didn’t mean the Democrats & the media had Trump distracted with the pointless multi week 24/7 impeachment drama that added up to diddley squat. As you probably know, it is nearly impossible to distract a narcissist & Trumps mind is on the same thing all the time. The media & Democrats hoodwinked the American people with a big fat nothing when a deadly pandemic was brewing. It was the American people & the +70k dead who were completely screwed over by the Democrats pointless soap opera. I figured out the coronavirus situation was going to be dire on Jan 24th. My Asian neighbors knew well before then. KC linked an interesting article recently stating as such. But what was the anti-Trump media & every Democrat in the nation doing? Chanting “Impeach Trump, Impeach Trump” as loud as possible. The anti-Trump media establishment is useless & did more harm than good. The month of January was our chance & the nations #1 concern was a everyday normal phone call that Trump probably doesn’t even remember making. Pathetic.

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No one was chanting, the representatives held an impeachment because the President abused his authority and they proved the case. If it didn’t do anything it wasn’t because the Democrats failed but the GOP did.

And the media did talk about the warnings of pandemic as did the intelligence agencies and the President’s Daily Briefings. He minimized it, ignored it and didn’t regret closing/removing the pandemic warning structures put in place by previous Administrations.

The President is the government. He’s not supposed to annoy it or impede it, but rather to enable it to make all Americans lives better. You want to vote for chaos? Incredible sense of privilege you got there. People are losing their lives due to mismanagement by the President who sits in the WH tweeting out that case numbers are going down almost everywhere, they aren’t even going down in the White House.

Plenty of people will likely vote for Trump. It’s not cause he’s doing a good job, it’s because they don’t care or think it matters. A position based in a sense of entitlement instead of empathy and a callous indifference to anything outside their house.

No I didn’t. I watched it and made my own moves as I saw fit. Did good so far, have the stimulus check to charity and more besides. But there’s a difference between quietly making moves and gleefully posting about how best to take advantage of death and fear though.

Didn’t know Hilllary allowed you to pitch a tent in her back yard. Must be kinda squishy with all those sour grapes back there. But then again, you can use that to make many gallons of whine. Shoulda kept the check to buy toilet paper for all the crap you “Gleefully spew.”

‘Sour grapes’. Is that a new euphemism for 80,000 dead? No level of failure by Trump matters to you at all. It’s his watch but whatever, get yourself some toast.

Yes, toast with a bit of honey. Just bought a loaf of some nice whole wheat bread. (Still can’t find rice) I am less than certain that Trump caused this virus thing, as did the rest of the nations suffering from it. Cuomo screamed for help, sent a ship with almost a thousand beds that only treated 182 people before standing down. Who missed the mark on that one? And who tried to help NYC? It wasn’t Nancy, too busy showing off her ice cream and refrigerator.

You’re annoyed there wasn’t more death and horror? Better over prepared than not at all.