I just finished all my courses for 3 rd Mate, I have been working on ATB’s with 646 ITC , I wonder what type of licence the USCG will give me according to my tonnage?
I have been reading the CFR’s and it says that I need at least half of the seatime served as an AB on 2000 gtr to get unlimited 3rd Mate. Does anybody know something about this.
The requirement is 1/2 your time on vessel over 1600 GRT. You will receive a 2000 GRT (domestic tonnage) limitation on your license without a corresponding ITC tonnage. So if you are planning on serving as mate on a vessel with ITC tonnage you should also apply for the mate 1600/3000. Incedetally, you will be required to take two test as the test modules are not the same for 3rd/1600 except for rules of the road.
3rd mate and 1600 ton mate are identical tests…
You are correct the tests have been the same since 2002
[QUOTE=Capt. Schmitt;57869]3rd mate and 1600 ton mate are identical tests…[/QUOTE]
Having taken both for the exact reason I stated in my first response I can tell you first hand they are not. Similar, yes. Most of same study material but the kick is that they are different test modules in the USCG’s eyes so if you want both, you will test for both except for rules of the road.
How long ago did this occur? The nmc themselves say it is the same test. Were you getting 3rd mate & 1600 ton mate or 3 rd mate & 1600 ton master?
You got screwed.
[QUOTE=Ea$y Money;57911]Having taken both for the exact reason I stated in my first response I can tell you first hand they are not. Similar, yes. Most of same study material but the kick is that they are different test modules in the USCG’s eyes so if you want both, you will test for both except for rules of the road.[/QUOTE]
They are the same, and have been since 2/1/2002. They have different module numbers, but only for data segregation purposes. I gave them separate module numbers a few years ago in order to be able to differentiate exam performance of 3rd Mates from Mate 500 and from Mate 1600. The Coast Gard form answer sheet ddoesn’t record what license you are applying for, so to keep data separate from different licenses, we had to assign them different module numbers. The “module structure file” that dictates how exams are generated (what’s on them) is the same for all three licenses, so the exams arer the same.
[QUOTE=Seaman.4040;57845]I just finished all my courses for 3 rd Mate, I have been working on ATB’s with 646 ITC , I wonder what type of licence the USCG will give me according to my tonnage?
I have been reading the CFR’s and it says that I need at least half of the seatime served as an AB on 2000 gtr to get unlimited 3rd Mate. Does anybody know something about this.[/QUOTE]
You MAY get a tonnage limit. 46 CFR 11.402 requires all time for an unlimited license be on vessels over 200 GRT, and at least half on vessels over 1600 GRT. If you don’t have the required time on vessels over 1600 GRT, you get a tonnage limit that is the larger of either the maximum tonnage that at least 25% of your time was on, or 150% of ther maximum that at least 50% of the time was on. The resultant tonnage is rounded up to the nearest 1,000. If the resultant tonnage is 10,000 GRT or more, no tonnage limit is applied.
Under 46 CFR 11.211(d), service on a “dual-mode” ATB is creditable at the aggregate tonnage for up to one half of the time required for a license, the time is credited at 1 for 2 (1 day credit for every 2 days on the vessel). The remaining time has to be on “conventional” vesselsw. This policy has been extended to ATBs, they are treated as dual-mode ATBs.
The towing/pushing unit of the ATB would be considered a “conventional” vessel." Since the towing unit (646 GRT) you worked on is over 200 GRT, you would be able to use the time on it. Using the above, if you have 18 months on the ATB, and its aggregate tonnage is over 6,000 GRT you would qualify for a 3rd Mate license without a tonnage restriction, 50% of your time would be at the aggregate tonnage, 6001 GRT x 150% = 9001.5 GRT, rounded up to the next 1,000 is 10,000 GRT, thus no tonnage limit.
[QUOTE=Diesel;57915]You got screwed.[/QUOTE]
Ain’t the first time… won’t be the last.
What about for 2/M unlimited? I work on an atb as 3/M and the tug is 997 GRT and barge is 27,615 GRT. I figure it will be the same but have also heard that the uscg won’t let you upgrade past 2/M AGT on atb’s?
I don’t see why you can’t go a far as CM on an atb. There is no wording in the cfr that would imply otherwise.
[QUOTE=crudeman89;58001]What about for 2/M unlimited? I work on an atb as 3/M and the tug is 997 GRT and barge is 27,615 GRT. I figure it will be the same but have also heard that the uscg won’t let you upgrade past 2/M AGT on atb’s?[/QUOTE]
That’s true for MODUs, per 46 CFR 11.205©. I can’t see why it would it apply to ATBs. The process I described above would also apply to 2nd mate and chief mate.
Thank you Mr Cavo for your information.