Hello,
I am currently waiting on my letter of approval to test for my 1600 Ton Master crossover. I would like to know what the material covers? I have been studying deck, safety and nav gen. But I hear it might be different as of recently.
[QUOTE=xavierts29;101859]Hello,
I am currently waiting on my letter of approval to test for my 1600 Ton Master crossover. I would like to know what the material covers? I have been studying deck, safety and nav gen. But I hear it might be different as of recently.[/QUOTE]
Look at 46 CFR Table 11.910-2, it’s everything that is checked for Master 1600 that isn’t checked for 2nd Mate or 3rd Mate.
I hate to sound like a broken record but why this system doesn’t work the other way around?
[QUOTE=GYRO;102015]I hate to sound like a broken record but why this system doesn’t work the other way around?[/QUOTE]
The short answer is because a “limited examination” is only available when it is authorized by regulation. 46 CFR 11.412(b) says you can go from 2nd Mate to Master 1600 with a limited examination and there is no similar regulation for Master 1600 to 3rd Mate. Why there isn’t is a different question… did anyone who asks this question bother to comment on the lack of such a regulation when we proposed substantial changes to 46 CFR Parts 10, 11, 12, and 13? That would have been the way to get a change.
Thank you for your response! I am puzzled even more now…Are you telling me that if the regulation doesn’t make sense and everybody knows that (see previous posts some starting as early as few years ago) but no one will comment during the adjustment period, it will stay in effect because nobody commented on it??? Really?
I got my letter of approval for my 1600 Master Crossover, It Stated that my test would be 70 questions for Deck General and Safety. I studied for the test and went and took i yesterday and guess what I had about 15 Nav Gen problems. So yes I failed the exam do to lack of preparation on my part. Does anyone have any good ideas on what to study cause the test seemed to be all over the board. I have tried going to 46 CFR 11.901-2 and while that does give you a lot it still harder than hell trying to find all the subjects in the murphy books plus the CFR only gives one Nav Gen topic but there where several covered in my test. Any help and direction anyone can offer is greatly appreciated.
I am studying for my 2nd mate to 1600 master crossover as well. I have checked the CFRs and searched the forum for a good description of the test. If anyone has recently taken the exam and could give some insight on what to lookout for I would greatly appreciate it.
Consult the deck/engine exam guide by the USCG, it breaks down subjects Etc fairly thoroughly by transaction/exam code. Lapware combined with the exact exam codes on your approval to test letter will be the best solution though.
Get Lapware. It allows you to study for your exact exam. It is updated with the latest questions. It is the way to go. I have never taking classes to upgrade my license. I only did self study with Lapware.
Just took the crossover test.
I used this thread to decide what to study. I have the Murphy books from my 3rd mate test material. I did what Mr. Cavo said in post #2 AND rented LAPWARE for one month. Nothing was a surprise on the test except a bunch of Mercator chart questions which I didn’t see while studying. Not saying they were not in the study material because I didn’t finish it all, Only studied 2 weeks. Also ran into a lot of bridge opening questions. I don’t run the ICW so had to look them answers up in the CFR’s. While doing this last part I also noticed that they hard ROR question are also in the CFR’s.
When using LAPWARE notice where most of the missed questions are at in the CFR. I remembered tons of stuff from the 3rd mate test that I figured would have flushed out of my head by now but somehow I retained it.
This helped me so I will throw it out there. I took my Murphy books and sit in front of the computer. At the top of the question is the Ref. they got it from so I would look up that CFR. It helped me understand how the CFR’s work (A LITTLE). Still takes a while to find that ONE answer but you have enough time to find 10-15 answers during the test time after answering the ones you know for sure.
I didn’t ace the thing but I got a piece of paper coming in the mail. Guess that’s all I need for a pay raise and I don’t plan on driving Tugs or push barges up the ICW anyways.
[QUOTE=xavierts29;107039]I got my letter of approval for my 1600 Master Crossover, It Stated that my test would be 70 questions for Deck General and Safety. I studied for the test and went and took i yesterday and guess what I had about 15 Nav Gen problems. So yes I failed the exam do to lack of preparation on my part. Does anyone have any good ideas on what to study cause the test seemed to be all over the board. I have tried going to 46 CFR 11.901-2 and while that does give you a lot it still harder than hell trying to find all the subjects in the murphy books plus the CFR only gives one Nav Gen topic but there where several covered in my test. Any help and direction anyone can offer is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
I know a few people that the same thing happened to them. The approval letter from the CG never stated Nav Gen would be on there and it caught people by surprise. Use Lapware, it’s a really good tool and worth the money.
On the application, how do you list it? Upgrade? Raise in grade? “1600 ton master cross over”?
[QUOTE=papermate;130159]On the application, how do you list it? Upgrade? Raise in grade? “1600 ton master cross over”?[/QUOTE]
LOL, man I just started checking stuff.
I had a RIG from 3rd to 2nd. Then checked Upgrade for the crossover and Renew on my STCW. It must have worked, didn’t receive nothing but a approve to test letter. Called and asked if my Restriction on tonnage was lifted and was told yes. Guess I’ll find out what they actually approved. They only asked for my 6000ITC certificate. Guess all the Life boatman and VSO stuff went through also.