Future of ships


#302

[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;194045]What? Are you giving me a job to work on? Just a heads up. Some of this stuff takes time, so be patient.[/QUOTE]
I’m old and cranky and I ran out of patience a long time ago.


#303

Just to hold you over. I do have some ideas. :rolleyes:

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#304

Others are talking about it.


#305

[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;194050]Others are talking about it.

Oh Dear Lord…please stop with the shiny cartoons. The topic was [U]SCHEMATICS[/U]!!!


#306

[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;194050]Others are talking about it.

While Rolls-Royce and others are looking at the technical aspects the underwriters are looking at the risk factors and how to charge when the risk is reduced due to automation. (Or is it??): http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/00010101/NEWS06/160219906/Underwriters-get-ready-for-crewless-ships


#307

For those who want to hear more about how Oskar Lavander of Rolls-Royce Marine is thinking, here is a longer explanation from this year’s InnoTown Conference 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cLN361PmM

FYI; InnoTown is an annual event here in Aalesund, Norway and doesn’t cover only shipping aspects.


#308

When Lavander gets into the details, things are a lot more conservative than the press releases. Crew augmentation and full-period remote control “local” by 2020, full period remote control coastal and self-steering between waypoints with remote control docking 2025-2030, fully autonomous by 2035.

It is clear from this, and an article in Offshore Engineer about “autonomous” underwater vehicles, that the term is being applied to what are essentially ROVs that can run on autopilot for some interval. In the case of the OE article, “autonomous” means “without a tether cable but still within sonar signal range.” The concept there is to use unmanned surface vehicles as signal relays so the “autonomous” swimmers don’t have to stay close to the mothership.

“Blue skies, smilin’ at me,
Nothin’ but blue skies, do I see.”

Cheers,

Earl


#309

[QUOTE=Earl Boebert;194116]When Lavander gets into the details, things are a lot more conservative than the press releases. Crew augmentation and full-period remote control “local” by 2020, full period remote control coastal and self-steering between waypoints with remote control docking 2025-2030, fully autonomous by 2035.

It is clear from this, and an article in Offshore Engineer about “autonomous” underwater vehicles, that the term is being applied to what are essentially ROVs that can run on autopilot for some interval. In the case of the OE article, “autonomous” means “without a tether cable but still within sonar signal range.” The concept there is to use unmanned surface vehicles as signal relays so the “autonomous” swimmers don’t have to stay close to the mothership.

“Blue skies, smilin’ at me,
Nothin’ but blue skies, do I see.”

Cheers,

Earl[/QUOTE]

Nice to see that you took the time to listen to his explanation.
Like I have said time and time again, there is nothing to be afraid of for anybody on this forum. This is not going to take the jobs away from anybody anytime soon.

It is not a question of putting a “box of tricks” onboard an existing type of ship and send them on their merry way.

Technically it is possible to do this in local domestic trade in a few years, but before it make any sense to use “autonomous” ships in international trade there have to be an acceptance by the majority of maritime nations that the technology is safe and to their advantage.

Anybody who know how long it takes to get anything though IMO (except when the US pressed ISPS through in record time) can rest assured that their jobs are safe for a long time yet.


#310

Not ships but shipping related development: http://fairplay.ihs.com/ports/article/4280336/singapore-moves-closer-to-autonomous-freight-movement-on-public-roads?utm_campaign=dailynewswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=email&elqTrack=true&elqTrackId=8d4a34868a804c34bd329d699764ca43&elq=e8ad141986cb47ee86b81f224c31cd97&elqaid=41590&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=16621


#311

Norwegian Maritime Authorities are participating in the early stages of development for hybrid hydrogen/battery powered ferries: http://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/nma-takes-part-worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-ferry-development/
They don’t want to be caught unprepared when new technology are presented for approval.


#312

One more Maritime and Flag State Authority jumps on the bandwagon: http://gcaptain.com/dnv-gl-singapore-mpa-agree-to-promote-rd-in-autonomous-systems-and-intelligent-shipping/?utm_campaign=Roost&utm_source=Roost&utm_medium=push

Of course they don’t know anything about ships and how they are run either. IT CAN NEVER WORK!!!


#313

[QUOTE=ombugge;194856]One more Maritime and Flag State Authority umps on the bandwagon: http://gcaptain.com/dnv-gl-singapore-mpa-agree-to-promote-rd-in-autonomous-systems-and-intelligent-shipping/?utm_campaign=Roost&utm_source=Roost&utm_medium=push

Of course they don’t know anything about ships and how they are run either. IT CAN NEVER WORK!!![/QUOTE]

As an old writer/reader/signer of R&D MoUs, this one merely says “we’ll keep looking into it. Maybe something will turn up.” Or, as I told a Honeywell VP when he asked what it was like to work on the Sentinel ballistic missile defense project, “It’s great, because it’s impossible so we can work on it forever and discover all kinds of neat things along the way.” I’m sure, that as with BMD, point solutions to interesting problems will emerge from this, but the grand dream is aimed more at raising funds. In the BMD case, Honeywell came up with a really neat signal processing computer that ended up in a torpedo. You just never know :slight_smile:

Cheers,

Earl


#314

Insurers are preparing themselves for the future of ships and shipping: http://fairplay.ihs.com/safety-regulation/article/4281766/technology-will-change-maritime-sector-says-iumi?utm_source=email&utm_medium=content&utm_campaign=safetyhotleads&mgs1=6a9doG9izm


#315

I think the autonomous crowd have worked out it wont work till all vessels are aware of each other.
Hence all the development in the background going on now re autonomous aware vessels/drones/cars.
Then i think there will be a jump in implementation.
Just look at aircraft, they have pilots who can take control but they only go where a controller on the ground says, controller may as well have total control.
Look at us drones, anywhere in the world, pilots somewhere else.
Maybe all ships will end up with DP so easy to manage remotely?


#316

The technical solutions will fall into place. There’ll be bumps and grinds along the way as long as humans play a key role in the development process. Once the ship operation controllers are designed and built by other robots and humans are kept out of the loop, everything will run smoothly. Bouahaha!


#317

The 13 new ECO tugs will be equipped with Ulstein X-Connect system, which will enable nearly all activity and systems to be monitored from one position on board, or from shore: http://maritime.no/kontrakter/tretten-slepebater-far-ulstein-alarmer/

Here is how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0shJko70Jc

How much more does it take to [U]operate [/U]the systems from shore???


#318

[QUOTE=ombugge;195061]The 13 new ECO tugs will be equipped with Ulstein X-Connect system, which will enable nearly all activity and systems to be monitored from one position on board, or from shore: http://maritime.no/kontrakter/tretten-slepebater-far-ulstein-alarmer/

Here is how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0shJko70Jc

How much more does it take to [U]operate [/U]the systems from shore???[/QUOTE]

A lot. Consider the consequences of link interruption in monitor vs. control.

Cheers,

Earl


#319

Stumbled across this today. . . . seems to be a test of concept in Norway. . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvjGBoBFXyU


#320

[QUOTE=cmakin;195881]Stumbled across this today. . . . seems to be a test of concept in Norway. . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvjGBoBFXyU[/QUOTE]

Norwegian Ships Officer’s Union is making their feeling about the low manning on coastal ferries and local trade vessels felt with abit of humor.
The ferries are getting bigger and bigger while the crew are getting smaller. One of the main contentions are the amount of paperwork required, since they are now under ISM code.
Problem will be solved when they become remote controlled and eventually autonomous.:cool:

PS> Nice veteran boat they used in the video: http://www.fjordnorway.com/things-to-do/veteran-ship-ms-sandnes-p1000693


#321

[QUOTE=ombugge;195897]Problem will be solved when they become remote controlled and eventually autonomous.:cool:[/QUOTE]

You must really hate mariners since you seem so happy to see them lose their jobs.