neat ship, but the US has none? Why does a UK company get to work this job? I don’t understand it.
Add say " must be able to work in US", what about people that live in the US?
neat ship, but the US has none? Why does a UK company get to work this job? I don’t understand it.
Just apply if you have the qualifications. It’s not stating “US citizen need not apply”. I would think you have a advantage by actually living in the United States.
[QUOTE=Kraken;159200]Just apply if you have the qualifications. It’s not stating “US citizen need not apply”. I would think you have a advantage by actually living in the United States.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but the only position that one might be considered as vessel crew is a chief engineer. Where are the positions for all the rest? BULLSHIT!
Our US based publications should refuse to advertise this shit.
[QUOTE=c.captain;159206]yeah, but the only position that one might be considered as vessel crew is a chief engineer. Where are the positions for all the rest? BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]
Is this typical for an offshore pipe layer or do you think they are trying an end run around the regs?
I’m not familiar with how the oil and gas vessels are crewed.
Aren’t most of the big pipe layers in the U.S. Gulf foreign flag and predominately foreign crewed?
[QUOTE=tugsailor;159233]Aren’t most of the big pipe layers in the U.S. Gulf foreign flag and predominately foreign crewed?[/QUOTE]
they certainly are and just as certainly shouldn’t be! FUCKING GOOBERMINT!
All we need is one simple USCG rule change. Foreign companies may employ all the foreign mariners they want to in the US on OCS waivers, provided that they hire at least two American trainees for each waiver at the same rate of pay, or the highest seagoing union wages in the US, whichever is more.
It would be amazing how quickly the foreign companies would decide that there are plenty of qualified Americans available and that they do not need so many OSC waivers.
[QUOTE=catherder;159221]Is this typical for an offshore pipe layer or do you think they are trying an end run around the regs?
I’m not familiar with how the oil and gas vessels are crewed.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like this one is crewed similar to a drilling rig with a engine room structure, deck mechanics, electrician’s and E.T’s If they are only looking for a chief and it is only a 5 week job, it sounds fishy to me. Like c.captain said what about the rest of the crew, kind of tells me they can’t keep a chief.
They are also setting the bar very high with requiring years of Huisman Crane ad VLS experience. Huisman is a different beast, and leads me to believe they are just using the entry requirement’s to get a waiver or hand pick certain people that they want.
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;159253]It sounds like this one is crewed similar to a drilling rig with a engine room structure, deck mechanics, electrician’s and E.T’s If they are only looking for a chief and it is only a 5 week job, it sounds fishy to me. Like c.captain said what about the rest of the crew, kind of tells me they can’t keep a chief.
They are also setting the bar very high with requiring years of Huisman Crane ad VLS experience. Huisman is a different beast, and leads me to believe they are just using the entry requirement’s to get a waiver or hand pick certain people that they want.[/QUOTE]
I’d lean with the waiver from the looks of it. This is the kind of nonsense that allows companies to hire foreign workers in other industries. Claim the skills required are so scarce or exotic they have to outsource. It’s all bullshit.
I hate foreigners working in our waters. There needs to be at least 33% US mariners on any vessel down here. I hope their boat sinks without any personnel injuries
It is very easy to get around the need for US mariners in US waters. There even used to be an advertisement in the New Orleans airport for a law firm specializing in getting around that pesky regulation.
[QUOTE=tengineer1;159309]It is very easy to get around the need for US mariners in US waters. There even used to be an advertisement in the New Orleans airport for a law firm specializing in getting around that pesky regulation.[/QUOTE]
I found this article online directly from Blank Rome LLP, one of the biggest Maritime Law Firms in Washington. Its purpose is informing foreign flag shipowners with vessels working on the Outer Continental Shelf how to circumvent the law and of course making a pitch for themselves as the firm to hire to make sure that the shipowners get just what they want!
[QUOTE]Where Have All of the U.S. Citizen Offshore Workers Gone?
April 2009 | Charles T. Blocksidge & Jonathan K. Waldron (of Blank Rome LLP)
Where Have All of the U.S. Citizen Offshore Workers Gone? Foreign Personnel Continue to Fill Employment Gaps on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf? Even though it has been almost four years since Hurricane Katrina and production levels on the Outer Continental Shelf (“OCS”) are experiencing a temporary decline due to the downturn in the economy, there continues to be a demand for foreign personnel to work in support of OCS activities. From welders to caterers and from chief engineers to deck hands and commercial divers, foreign personnel continue to fill critical positions onboard vessels and platforms. The question then remains, where have all of the U.S. citizens gone? Whether the shortage is an actual shortage of personnel or a factor of undesirable wages and a lack of interest in an offshore career, the shortage is real, has operational consequences, and can be addressed through a Coast Guard regulatory exemption in accordance with 33 C.F.R. Part 141.
The shortage, or unavailability, as it is technically called, has recently received the attention of the Coast Guard’s National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee (“NOSAC”), which formed a subcommittee at its last meeting to develop criteria for the Coast Guard to use in determining if an actual labor shortage exists and to define what constitutes an emergency need. In order to understand this issue, it is important to first understand the citizenship restrictions that are placed on OCS operations.
Through the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act (“OCSLA”) and it amendments, Congress announced that the U.S. Constitution and laws and civil and political jurisdiction of the United States are extended to the subsoil and seabed of the OCS and to all artificial islands, and all installations and other devices permanently or temporarily attached to the seabed. What this means in simple terms is that U.S.-flag vessels and platforms conducting operations on the OCS must be manned or crewed by citizens of the United States or resident aliens.
This citizenship restriction typically becomes an issue in three different situations: (1) a U.S.-flag vessel or offshore platform that cannot find enough U.S. citizens or resident aliens to fill its regular complement (i.e., unavailability); (2) a U.S.-flag vessel with a U.S. crew or an offshore platform that needs to supplement its crew with foreign specialists, professionals, or other technically-trained personnel to handle emergencies or other temporary operations; and (3) a foreign-flag vessel with a foreign crew that has to route relief crews through the United States or make U.S. port visits.
A common theme that runs through all three situations is the requirement for foreign workers to possess a B-1 (OCS) visa in order to be allowed ashore in the United States, either en route to or from the OCS or for a U.S. port visit even though the immigration laws of the United States do not apply offshore. Failure of a crewmember to possess a B-1 (OCS) when a vessel pulls into a U.S. port, will result in the owner/operator of the vessel having to post an armed guard at the gangway and the crew not being permitted to disembark the vessel or depart the country without an armed escort. A brief discussion of each exemption follows below.
In general, under the OCSLA manning requirements, the crew of any vessel engaged in OCS activities, whether U.S. or foreign flagged, must be either U.S. citizens or resident aliens. However, a manning exemption exists under OCLSA allowing a foreign-flag vessel to employ foreign nationals if it can be demonstrated that citizens of a foreign nation have the absolute right to effectively control the vessel (i.e., bareboat charter) or that the ownership of the vessel is over 50 percent foreign at every tier of ownership.
The application is submitted to the Coast Guard’s Foreign & Offshore Vessels Division and must contain, among other things, information such as project scope, vessel specifications, and a detailed description of ownership of every company in the vessel’s chain of ownership. Approval can often take 30 days or more depending on the complexity of the particular case. Once the exemption is received, it remains valid until the vessel comes under either U.S. ownership or control. Following the approval, the vessel owner can begin the process of obtaining the B-1 (OCS) visas for the crew.
Unavailability of U.S. Citizens or Resident Aliens
This situation is directly linked to the number of U.S. citizens or resident aliens that are qualified and available to work offshore. Before utilizing foreign personnel in vacant positions, an unavailability exemption must be requested from the Coast Guard’s Foreign & Offshore Vessels Division. This is accomplished by the applicant demonstrating that it has attempted to locate qualified U.S. citizens or resident aliens through several different advertising media including, but not limited to, newspapers, internet, and trade shows/job fairs. Given that the Coast Guard makes its determination in consultation with the U.S. Department of Labor, it is also important that the applicant register and post advertisements with the two largest state labor organizations that deal with offshore occupations; namely, the Texas and Louisiana Workforce Commissions. In addition to the advertising information, the applicant must also include the number of personnel needed, the position they will fill, the vessel and/or platform upon which the foreign personnel will be stationed, and also information pertaining to the particular applicant’s hiring statistics (e.g., number of applicants, new hires and terminations over the last several quarters).
Once the Coast Guard makes its determination that an unavailability exists, a letter will be issued that can then be utilized by the recruited foreign personnel to obtain a B-1 (OCS) visa from a U.S. embassy or consulate. The temporary exemption is typically valid for one year from the date of issue under the condition that the applicant will continue to advertise for and hire either U.S. citizens or resident aliens if and when they become available. When the proper visa is granted, the foreign workers will then be permitted to travel to the U.S. and ultimately to the OCS.
The strict citizenship requirements imposed on OCS operations, coupled with the requirement for offshore workers to possess a B-1 (OCS) visa when traveling in the United States, has made exemptions from these restrictions commonplace in facilitating OCS operations. Whether you are a small company that has resisted bidding on a larger contract because you are unsure where the qualified personnel would come from, a company that wants to contract with a foreign-flag vessel but does not want to deal with contract delays due to personnel issues, or a platform or vessel owner in need of a foreign specialist to assist with a new equipment installation, the exemptions discussed above may be the answer. Given that the failure to secure the exemption and/or the proper visas for the personnel can result in fines, penalties, lengthy operational delays and personnel issues such as refusal to allow crewmembers ashore, meet a vessel or deportation, it is strongly encouraged that U.S. counsel be sought to assist with preparing and submitting the exemption requests. Moreover, it is important to use counsel who are experienced in this specialized area of the law to make sure that the necessary legal requirements are sufficiently addressed in submitting an exemption and to avoid lengthy delays in obtaining approval.
Need to find a way to ditch hiring them lousy, stinking, law suit loving American seafarers and get permission from the US Federal Government to use squeeky clean, low liability, foreign labor on your ship working on the OCS, then “the exemptions discussed above may be the answer.” All you need to do is to call Blank Rome today! They’ve “got the juice” with the USCG and Department of Labor to make darned sure you get your money’s worth in Washington!
I simply can’t find a bigger smoking howitzer to show that this is a system manufactured by lawyers and rigged to benefit shipowners at the expense of US citizen mariners! Complain to the USCG that you are being denied the jobs you are entitled to by law and let them know that there is no real “shortage” of American mariners! Nobody here can tell me that there are US seafarers who suffer a “lack of interest in an offshore career!” What absolute and utter disrespect for each and every US citizen mariner from a law firm who obviously cares for nothing other than their own self interests and bottom line, but who’s fooling who? They’re Washington lawyers…nothing more need be said!
The one thing that I can say which gives me hope is that I can tell you that at least one person in a well placed position at the USCG who is now prepared to listen to us but each of us needs to make the first effort…they can’t come to you, you have to go to them to be heard! A cornerstone has been laid to build upon but nothing will be built until we all pitch in to do our parts. Together we can make a change if we care enough to fight.
Again, thank you to everyone here who cares and is willing to stand up for what is RIGHT! Comment on the proposed rulemaking granting foreign mariners US equivalent certificates and complain the the USCG Foreign & Offshore Vessel Division about the lies being used to deny you the employment you have a right to by law… [/QUOTE]