[QUOTE=c.captain;95670]That would be the great, glorious and grand USN! They are perfect at everything…just ask them![/QUOTE]
Never hear of USN before, sound like they are bullet proof :P.
My company uses a Norwegian company for the ECDIS, they sytem is called “TECDIS”, using C-Map ENC’s and C-Map Professional+ chart data. Been in use for a while and no problems at all reported… so far…
[QUOTE=c.captain;95670]That would be the great, glorious and grand USN! They are perfect at everything…just ask them!
Btw, WHY THE EFF DO WE HAVE ALL:THOSE EXPENSIVE T-AGS ANYWAY? WHAT FUCKING WASTE! LEAVE IT TO THE NAVEE![/QUOTE]
Funny, you have a US Naval officer as you avatar yet you take pleasure in smearing the Navy at most opportunities. Are you suffering from some bi-polar jealousy complex? But you’re not alone, why don’t you hook-up with the other Navy hater, the one that worked for the Navy for a whole career and now receives a retirement check from them, Xmsccapt? Birds of a feather flogging themselves together and all that. Ya’ll can start your own US Navy ad hominem hater forum so that those that want to read that kind of pejorative tripe can go there and those that want to discuss maritime issues can be spared from your poisoning of the well. Cheers!
[QUOTE=Jeffrox;95706]Funny, you have a US Naval officer as you avatar yet you take pleasure in smearing the Navy at most opportunities. Are you suffering from some bi-polar jealousy complex? But you’re not alone, why don’t you hook-up with the other Navy hater, the one that worked for the Navy for a whole career and now receives a retirement check from them, Xmsccapt? Birds of a feather flogging themselves together and all that. Ya’ll can start your own US Navy ad hominem hater forum so that those that want to read that kind of pejorative tripe can go there and those that want to discuss maritime issues can be spared from your poisoning of the well. Cheers![/QUOTE]
Just realised what USN stood for… thought it was a maker of ECDIS… What type do you’s use for it? Home made or what kind?
[QUOTE=Jeffrox;95706]Funny, you have a US Naval officer as you avatar yet you take pleasure in smearing the Navy at most opportunities.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding…SIR! Lcdr Quentin McHale USNR thumbed his nose and flipped the bird at the USN at every opportunity. He was a merchant officer in a naval uniform (as explained in episode one) and the entire premise of the show was the ridiculousness of the Navy Brass as personified by Capt. Binghamton.
I am not saying that there are good dedicated individuals in the USN but as a whole the Navee is inept as far as real seamanship and navigation is concerned. The whole operation is run by button pushers and flyboys who couldn’t fight their way out of Patton’s proverbial “Pissed soaked paper sack”. Now give me the likes of Bill Halsey, Richmond Kelly Turner, Willis Lee, Aubrey Fitch and Arleigh Burke and you have yourself a real fighting US Navy…SIR!
Because those T-AGS ships employ lots of your fellow mariners so shut up about why we have them, it was my first job. Leave it to the Navy? After this you want the Navy to do close inshore work with the wrong charts?
[QUOTE=New3M;95847]Because those T-AGS ships employ lots of your fellow mariners so shut up about why we have them, it was my first job. Leave it to the Navy? After this you want the Navy to do close inshore work with the wrong charts?[/QUOTE]
BULLSHIT SIR! That T-AGS are just more government waste. But fuck it, what’s another two or three hundred million a year?..I mean that’s nothing at all…just peanuts…am I right?
Sure why not. And in case you weren’t aware, they built a new one. Put that on the end of your stick and poke shit for a while with it.
To minimize environmental damage, U.S. opts to lift stranded ship from Tubbataha
By: Abigail Kwok with reports from Philippine News Agency
January 24, 2013 4:34 PM
The online news portal of TV5
MANILA, Philippines – In an effort to minimize environmental damage, officials of the United States Navy opted to lift the stranded minesweeper USS Guardian from Tubbataha Reef off Palawan.
Commander Armand Balilio, spokesman of the Philippine Coast Guard, said that according to Rear Admiral Thomas Carney, the commander of the Logistics Group in Western Pacific, the US Navy contracted crane ships from the Smit Towing Company in Singapore to lift USS Guardian and place it on a salvage barge and bring it to the nearest shipyard.
“Rear Adm. Thomas Carney announced that Task Force (Tubbataha) and the US Navy team had decided to choose lifting option to salvage USS Guardian,” said Balilio on Thursday.
The two crane ships are expected to arrive by the end of the month.
Meanwhile, a salvage ship, USS Salvor, is expected to arrive in the area Thursday night.
Rear Admiral Rodolfo Isorena, Coast Guard commandant, said lifting the ship was the “best option” to ensure the protection of the reefs.
“If we will drag the vessel definitely it will have more damage…(but) we do not discount other options depending on factors including weather, sea conditions,” Isorena said.
U.S. personnel have continued to siphon off fuel and remove equipment from the stranded vessel.
The Tubbataha Management Office earlier said it would impose a fine on the US Navy for damaging about 1,000 square meters of coral reefs in the 97,030-hectare no-navigation marine park.
Meanwhile, the Philippine News Agency reported that Department of Transportation and Communications Secretary Joseph Abaya on Thursday said there was no oil leakage or spillage from the damaged to the hull and propeller of the ship.
Also, Abaya said based on the information he had received from Isorena, the minesweeper’s fuel tanks appeared to be intact.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;95641]It sounds to me like failure to observe a lighthouse intended to mark this particular danger, failure to observe islets on the reef, failure to observe breakers on the reef, and failure to head the warnings of park rangers that the ship was standing into danger, are the true causes of this incident. I suspect that the alleged inaccuracy of electronic charts had very to do with this.
I’m not interested in scapegoats. I say let’s dock the pay of all admirals by 10% until the full cost of this incident is covered.[/QUOTE]
Well said. You have to look out the window also! Perhaps they were conducting sensitivity training.
[QUOTE=New3M;95855]Sure why not. And in case you weren’t aware, they built a new one. Put that on the end of your stick and poke shit for a while with it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, just want we need another over monument to overspending by our grand and glorious DoD. They have become simply a monster that can’t be controlled.
FEED ME SEYMORE!
WRT USS Guardian not heeding warnings, apparently it wasn’t via VHF. This is from a reliable source close to the issue:
“they couldn’t hear what the park rangers were saying, and of course, the ship did the standard reaction to unidentified small boat(s) approaching which was to man all the guns and start blaring verbal warnings. As a result, the park rangers stayed to far away to be heard.”
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[B]New Photos Show USS Guardian Still Hard Aground on Philippine Reef[/B]
By gCaptain Staff On January 24, 2013
New pictures of the USS Guardian released today by the U.S. Navy show the minesweeper still hard aground on the Tubbataha Reef in the Philippines.
The photos, taken during overflight assessments of the wreck on Jan. 22 and 23, show the vessel mainly intact but listing slightly and definitely still hard aground on the reef.
A Navy official has confirmed that the vessel is damaged and taking on water and will need to be lifted from the reef.
“The option that we hoped to be able to tow the ship off the reef is not available,” Rear Admiral Thomas Carney, head of the U.S. Navy’s logistics group in the western Pacific, told reporters. “It’s too badly damaged. It’s got hull penetrations in several places and there’s a significant amount of water inside the ship right now,” said Carney. The USNS Salvor is en route to the site to help with the salvage.
Before the operation to lift the Guardian can begin, salvors will have to remove the 15,000 gallons of fuel to mitigate the risk of any spills.
“The first priority is to get the fuel out of the ship as soon as possible,” Carney added.
A release by the Philippines Coast Guard indicated that there is currently no oil leakage/spillage despite the damage to the wooden hull and propeller. Its fuel tanks also appear to be intact.
The U.S. Navy has previously said that faulty digital chart data misplaced the location of Tubbataha Reef and caused the grounding. The charts have since been fixed and an investigation is ongoing.
The ship, with a crew of 80, had just completed a port call at Subic Bay in the Philippines, when the grounding occurred.
The cost to fix that wood hull is going to be astronomical! STOOPID SQUIDS!
With the cuts that the Navy are making these days whats the chance they will repair?..
[QUOTE=bburket;96038]With the cuts that the Navy are making these days whats the chance they will repair?..[/QUOTE]
My answer to that is USS MIAMI and USS PORT ROYAL
[B][I]STOOPID SQUIDS![/I][/B]
[QUOTE=c.captain;96025]latest news & photos
The cost to fix that wood hull is going to be astronomical! STOOPID SQUIDS![/QUOTE]
From the moment that the clueless Navy stood by with its thumb stuck someplace with no daylight, and allowed this vessel to turn broad side on the reef, it has been obvious that she would be a total constructive loss.
Not to mention that there would be ten times more damage to the reef than necessary.
Can anyone think of a more expensive way to remove the vessel, than to have Smit send two derrick barges and a deck barge from Singapore to lift the vessel off on to a barge ? And then what — tow it to a shipbreaker in Brownsville?
Let’s hope that mother nature promptly whips up a storm to wash this vessel off the reef where it can sink in deep water?
I had the displeasure of reading the Sitrep from the USS PORT ROYAL. It read like a movie titled " three stooges got to sea.". Every possible screw up and lack of navigational seamanship was displayed. When these incompetent naval officers screw up and spend millions of tax payer $$ they should be held accountable to the fullest. But, in the end the USN made a shore side job for the C/O. I suppose so he could stay around and do his 20.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;96054]From the moment that the clueless Navy stood by with its thumb stuck someplace with no daylight, and allowed this vessel to turn broad side on the reef, it has been obvious that she would be a total constructive loss. [/QUOTE]
The great, grand and glorious US Navee NEVER declares their vessels CTL! EVER! Can you think of one? mark my words, some fucking self important brasshat admiral will declare the vessel to be a critical defense asset which must be retained then NavSea will let out a contract at some unbelievably over inflated cost then two years after the GUARDIAN is repaired and returned to the fleet it will be decommissioned!
[B][I]STOOPID NAY VEE![/I][/B]
[QUOTE=ElCapitan;95345]Who has paper chart free wheel houses? Is there anyone besides our navy dumb enough to try that?[/QUOTE]
There are many vessels out there with IMO approved ecdis systems so no paper,
most cruise ships for example
There is a new post at Information Dissemination that is well worth reading. The photo shows that the coating (don’t know if it was paint over a layer of fiberglass) is gone from about 90% of the hull. Supposedly the fuel and hazmat has been successfully been removed. Panbo’s post about the charting/navigation error is also citied as being worth reviewing.
Finally Galrahn also notes:
While the Navy is yet to publicly say so, the ship is almost certainly lost, and this will almost certainly be a salvage and recovery operation primarily designed to protect the Tabbahata Reefs National Park, and not recover the ship for future use.
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Regardless, none of these crane vessels will be capable of lifting Guardian intact, which again informs us where this is likely going.
I’ve been doing a bit of reading following my previous post and found more information that is worth sharing. In case you had doubts about the watch-standing there were two decent radar targets as shown in these photos so we aren’t talking about a failure to observe submerged or barely awash reefs.
Photo of the Tubbataha lighthouse islet
Photo of Tubbataha ranger station
If you are interested I would suggest reading the GeoGarage (a web service that overlays satellite photos on charts) blog post which have even more photos, and information about diving in the area.
I find it somewhat amusing that Green Peace’s Rainbow Warrior ran around in the same area in 2005. A comment on Panbo linked to the account of the USS Frank Knox grounding on Pratas Reef in 1965 (the Salvage report is available if you are interested and is noteworthy because cast in place foam played a significant role in the successful salvage)
