Didn’t say that. You’re getting a bit over the top religious there. Perhaps Kamala would be your “personal lord and saviour” and where would we be?
He’s just the US president who is doing what I think will result in a far better world and, whilst I don’t know what his plan is, I approve of what he has done so far and know that nobody else could have done that. I can wait and see what happens and so can you. Moan and grump all you like, I’m sure the result will be more of what I envision than what you imagine.
Yup.
By all means giggle and feel sad. That doesn’t bother me one bit. But come up with an argument if you want to be taken seriously. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m just a spectator commenting. I think I’ll be proved right.
If we kill all the people in the world who want to kill Americans, the only thing we will have accomplished is to make a lot more people want to kill Americans.
My argument was that your theory about him going after the World elites via Iran is just more drain the swamp BS that never happened the first time around. The only thing that happened was him & his admin made the swamp got worse.
Obama returned $1.7 billion of the Iranian’s own money to them, and MAGA lost their minds.
It wasn’t taxpayer money. It was Iranian money we impounded for 40 years.
Meanwhile, the Israelis and the USA waited until the Iranians made progress in their nuclear program, and then selectively bombed key infrastructure, assassinated scientists, or used computer viruses to repeatedly knock the program back to Square 1, costing the Iranians far more than $1.7 billion to repair. The Iranians were bleeding themselves financially to support a program that was, and would always be, 10 years away.
Elegant and simple 4th dimensional chess, making your opponent believe they’re getting somewhere, when in fact you’re simply allowing them to squander their money, while their civil society deteriorates.
The present administration has spent $51 billion of the taxpayers’ money to blockade the blockade the Iranians already blockaded, and to safely protect the Iranian’s uranium under a thick layer of rubble making it more difficult to attack again. Meanwhile the US military looks increasingly impotent, as it waits offshore with no results. Increasing the chance of ground invasion to save face, the cost of which will likely be $1 trillion.
Great argument. You are saying my argument is bullshit … because … what? You are impatient for the final score and full-time siren so you can be vindicated … about what?
I’m saying you have to wait to see. It’s not over yet. The deep state don’t just roll over and surrender.
This is a good reminder that “Trump Derangement Syndrome” goes both ways. Love him or hate him, some people just cant be reasonable when it comes to anything that man gets involved in, and people will reshape their entire worldview to always fit into the constantly shifting pro or anti Trump positions.
In all seriousness hes done good and bad, like any politician. But all this noise gets tiring. We all know full well that all these people who suddenly became pro Iran war are just following along with the latest trend, they were all cheerleading the FIFA award winning president of peace not long ago, and its absolutely laughable to imagine that all this pro war rhetoric would be consistent if (god forbid) Kamala had won and was taking the exact same actions. Its not necessarily being conservative or liberal that I judge people for, but its when people blatantly just dont stand for anything. “My side is good and right 100 percent of the time, your side is bad and wrong 100 percent of the time. I am very smart.” The parallels to 2003 here are so striking, and so telling about the human condition. Some things will never change, some lessons will never be learned.
Are we kicking ass? Its hard to tell with all the lies but it seems more likely we are screwing around because we went in half cocked without a plan. The president, in my opinion, comes across seeming frantic and desperate rather than confident and strong when he communicates about Iran. We are probably about three weeks away from the administration saying that Iran never existed and is just a liberal hoax. So far our biggest accomplishment seems to be that we killed an old fart who was already about to die of old age anyway.
What? “Kicking my ass”? Can you please enlighten me to what the hell you are actually trying to say? Or do you just write things you think would look good on a tshirt at the MAGA store.
Just a little history here. The Brits didn’t like the Russians interfering with British India through invading the North of Iran as they did. In 1856 the Brits used some gunboat diplomacy and in 5 days marched 90 miles fought a battle with the Iranian Imperial Guard and after defeating them forced a withdrawal of Iranian forces. In 1909 oil was discovered in Iran and in 1911 the Royal Navy moved to oil from coal. British bankers had made substantial loans to Iran for railways and ports together with the petroleum industry. As bankers do they wanted their investment protected and had the clout to demand that something be done about it.
Incidently the Royal Navy continued doing whatmit had been doing . Allowing free trade, suppressing piracy and slavery and charting the oceans of the world. How often do you pick up a chart from any nation that still says from British Admiralty Surveys?
It’s shocking to see some people here claim that the USA is just as much of an evil terror regime as Iran. It’s especially shocking to see Americans make this claim.
It’s shocking to see how many people are completely unconcerned about the Iranian terror regime developing nuclear weapons and missiles.
The UN, NATO, and the rest of the world order, have never done anything, unless the US did it for them and paid for it
It’s always surprising and disheartening to see how little most of the world appreciates American generosity. That makes neo-isolationism, a small home defense only military, no foreign aid, let Americans and American companies overseas fend for themselves, and much lower taxes look pretty good.
At least until an Iranian nuke goes off in an American city, or the US gets dragged into World Wars again by its fair weather friends and feckless “allies.”
It also makes “let’s declare victory in Iran’” pack up and go home, and let the countries that need the Strait of Hormuz solve that problem themselves, look pretty good.
Your interpretation of posts here is very different than mine. I’ve not seen one person suggest that the USA is just as much of an evil terror regime as Iran. What I have seen people post are some known examples of the USA interfering with Iran in many different ways over decades, unfortunately often in ways that result in dead Iranians, and often simply to protect the USA’s economic or strategic interests rather than acting with the best interest or wishes of the Iranian people.
I don’t know of anyone who isn’t concerned about Iranian developing nuclear weapons. Myself, I am VERY concerned. I am also very concerned about the nuclear weapons already possessed by Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Russia, UK, France, China, and the US. If I was not a US citizen I would likely be even more suspicious of US motivations given the US has one of the largest nuclear stock piles, while the US also takes great strides to ensure that other nations don’t acquire nuclear weapons, and the US is the only country in the history of the world to use such weapons aggressively and in that case it was on civilian targets.
I wholeheartedly agree that the current Iranian regime is horrible, and the sooner they are relegated to the dustbin of history the better. However bombing, or even worse, invading Iran is a horrible mistake that accomplishes nothing other than demonstrating our inability to negotiate from a position of strength (we are the most powerful nation in the history of the world and have been for decades) and instead demonstrating our all too frequent impulse to resort to violence, which is the very nature that we ascribe to the Iranian regime as such a negative.
If we as a nation expect other nations to uphold the ideals of peace, freedom, international cooperation, and respect for human rights, we need to be willing to adhere to those same ideals ourselves, even when it isn’t easy.
It’s shocking to see some people here claim that the USA is just as much of an evil terror regime as Iran.
I assume you’re referring to me and what I posted in another thread. Why didn’t you just respond to my post in the other thread, instead of jumping to this one and complaining about it?
It shouldn’t surprise you that the USA has had its hands in some very dirty business, which could be compared to the “state sponsored terrorism” that the current regime in Iran has engaged in. Are you aware of the similar activity the US (and middle eastern allies) has funded and supported over the years in pursuit of our interets? Let me give a few examples:
Nicaragua Contras
Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan
UNITA in Angola
El Salvadoran death squads
Chechen rebels in Russia
Kurds in Syria
Israel in Lebanon and Palestine, anyone?
Etc etc
"State sponsored terrorism* is a nebulous term, politically charged and debatable, depending on which side of things you happen to stand on. It has been hauled out to do the heavy lifting for vilification and justification. My point is not to condone or justify violent actions performed by groups like Hamas or Hezbollah, but to show that the USA has engaged in the same or similar behavior. Calling Iran “evil” is too simplistic, especially when our own country has perpetrated similarly evil acts.
I support Western liberalism and believe that these ideals should win out over authoritarianism, religious fanaticism, fundamentalism, and the like. But that doesn’t give us the right to bomb other countries into the ground for engaging in the same kinds of geopolitics. Call it what it is, an exercise of power, but don’t pretend we have the moral high ground. We are not the good guys when we blow up schools of girls and rock the stability of the world economic system instead of pursuing peaceful negotiation. Trump has done these things for no good reason and the whole world suffers as a result.
