Some climate scientists call for immediate phase out of fossil fuels in virtually all forms


It appears to me like the predictions made about climate change is being born out by what has happened over the last few decades and is happening now; The dry parts of the world is getting dryer, the Arctic is getting warmer and storms are getting stronger and more frequent on average.
That it is colder during winters in some parts doesn’t mean that the earth is not warming, just that the jet streams is changing pattern, which is also part of the predictions.

If you look hard enough you can find some arguments against just about anything, or even some Scientists (real or fake) who will argue your case, no matter what that case may be.

The argument isn’t about the earth having had warmer and colder periods in the past, but the speed at which the changes occurs. Can that be explained any other way than by human activities?

Yes when Krakatoa exploded there were a period of rapid cooling, but it was caused by a blanket of ash and lasted a short period.

Yes Australia have had dense jungle where there are now desert, as did Svalbard, but that was because the polar axis have shifted, and/or continental drift, or both. It happened over millennia, not decades.


Who do you think the target audience is for that video? Certainly not any one with a basic understanding of science.

You got anything better?

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming?


Australian Bureau of Metereology temperature map - with a new colour for 52-54C.

Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars

Global warming is turning the volume of extreme weather up, Spinal-Tap-style, to 11. The temperature forecast for next Monday by Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology is so unprecedented - over 52C - that it has had to add a new colour to the top of its scale, a suitably incandescent purple.

Australia’s highest recorded temperature is 50.7C, set in January 1960 in South Australia. The record for the hottest average day across the nation was set on Monday, at 40.3C, exceeding a 40-year-old record. “What makes this event quite exceptional is how widespread and intense it’s been,” said Aaron Coutts-Smith, the weather bureau’s climate services manager. “We have been breaking records across all states and territories in Australia over the course of the event so far.” Wildfires are raging across New South Wales and Tasmania.


Global temperature from 1864 to 2018. This is an 15 year average (e.g. 2000 is 1986 to 2000 average temperature)

Numbers are the difference compared to pre-industrial value (defined as 1851-1900) Arrow shows position on scale. Note how it varies and then rapidly accelerates at the end.



The first guy identified is Tom Harris, he is a mechanical engineer.

Here is his bio;

Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [2], [3]

Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry interests. [4], [48]

According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.” [68]

Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry interests

If you were trying to prove that these so-called climate Scientist were actually just a bunch of paid hacks you couldn’t have found a better video.


I heard yesterday that Toyota and Panasonic are embarking on a major venture to produce batteries for electric cars. I’m sure there will be an aftermarket supplier to offer affordable batteries when the OEM’s that came with the car are no longer serviceable.


As far as battery replacement…

The average commute is 16 miles. So 32 miles round trip plus 10 more for errands etc. total about 42 miles.

The Chevy Bolt advertises 238 miles, assume 120 miles for cold weather etc.

In a two car family (or rent for long trips) the car could lose 50% range and still be useful. Or sell it as someone with a shorter commute could use it.

Or if work installs a charger you could run the car till the wheels fall off. Most people drive less than 40 miles a day.


Singapore is already hot and humid, but is getting hotter faster than surrounding area and world average.
Why does it matter and what causes it?

Here is you answer to the last; It is called the “urban heat island effect” and is caused by the dense buildings, large area of paved roads, parking lots etc. and the large number of air-conditioners in use:


It didn’t take long to be proved right.


I see you didn’t listen to their evidence. You don’t want to hear.


Anyone posting a 4 minute video claiming it debunks climate change needs their head checked.

They read something from 1922, which was an inaccurate prediction, therefore all modern climate science is junk? Get out of here with that weak shit.


Would an eight minute video help? Or an hour? How about one of a five day conference?

The four minutes is stretching the attention span of too many here already.

And I didn’t really expect to change anyone’s mind. You’ll have to do that for yourself.



the average temp in one town in australia in the hot part has never changed

Meteorologists use facts, climate scientists make up models
Guess who commodity traders take advice from?


Was that a response? You’ll have to help me understand it.


Now I am interested in what other conspiracy theories you’re into


Are you saying meteorologists don’t use models?


They understand their models are only good for a couple of days. Their models have been verified by repeated experience.

No so people predicting disasters far ahead. All the predictions they’ve made about pending doom that have reached the doom-date have shown they were ridiculously wrong … but people here want to believe them. Have a look back at the doom-date predicted for peak oil that I mentioned earlier in this thread for a start. Every year since then confirmed oil resources have grown.

Every indicator of human welfare (war, famine, poverty, disease etc) is better now than last year and the years before. It will be better again next year and the years after that because we can adapt and learn … to ignore the catastrophists.

The end isn’t nigh.:smiley:


Reviving your same old tired argument from 6 months ago. Did you get banned during that time or just go into hibernation?