Singapore once more

Are you actually writing about Singapore, or some place that exists in your head only?
Some statistical facts:

https://www.imf.org/en/countries/sgp

https://data360.worldbank.org/en/economy/SGP

it has a trading GDP do you know that that means?

The debt is a fact and its measured as a % of gdp and that GDP is a trading gdp so thats a scary number in reality.

I’m not sure you understand enough about economics to grasp that?
Buy a billion dollars of oil, sell for a billion and $1 your gdp goes up 2billion and $1

Debt going and food vouchers both increasing, why is that?

I know whats in your minds and that Singapore from 30 years ago.

Thanks for enlighten me. Always nice to get info from an economy genius and bigwig.
Maybe you should give advice to MAS so they don’t squander the “family heirloom” that was built up in earlier days.

Better still, you should correct IMF and World Bank, they obviously don’t understand economics either.

Yes, it is soon 60 years since I started to call Singapore home, but only 6 years since I spent the winter there last.

No, I do not get information about Singapore only from statistics and CNA. I have friends and a large in-law family there that keep me informed on what they see, hear and feel about politics and the conditions they live under.

Some questions for you:

  • Why did you decide to move to Singapore when you could have chosen USA, UK, or gone back to Oz?
  • Why do you stay there still, when you think it is so badly governed, full of locals that doesn’t know what is going on around them?

At least you are predictable.
Once the facts overwhelm your dreamer view you change the subject

Not to mention only several threads ago i told you why I am here and all the other foreigners.

( are you sure you have friends and in laws there you only post what you can find on the internet?)

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Better still, you should correct IMF and World Bank, they obviously don’t understand economics either.

You clearly dont understand what that data represents, gdp per capita doesnt relate to wealth or wages of the population.
Ask the Irish who have a higher gdp per capita than Singapore for the same reason

Very predictably you didn’t read past the headline of the first link.
There were a lot more in that link and the other links I posted.

Singapore port in a global perspective:

there isnt any more data
You just cant get your head around what gdp per capita means and what and how it is measured.
No matter how many links to that data you find.

Why is Singapore doing so much worse than Ireland?

Singapore handing out food vouchers all the time these days.
Ireland doesnt.

Dont tell me you think each person earns what that GDP /Capita figure is so you think Singaporeans are doing well?
That would certainly explain your thinking.
Roflmao

Maybe you should OPEN THE LINKS!!!

AI Overview:
Singapore is not necessarily doing worse than Ireland; rather, both are top global economies with different strengths, and statistical comparisons often misrepresent everyday living standards.

Economic Statistics

  • GDP per capita: Ireland’s nominal GDP per capita is higher on paper (roughly $131,000) compared to Singapore’s (roughly $99,000).
  • Distorted GDP: Ireland’s high GDP is heavily influenced by the presence of multinational tech and pharmaceutical corporations that route profits through the country, which does not fully reflect the local wage earner’s actual daily wealth.
  • Unemployment and Inflation: Singapore typically maintains a lower unemployment rate (around 3.5%) compared to Ireland (around 4.3%), though Singapore has a notably high cost of living, particularly regarding housing and vehicle ownership.

Key Differences

  • Geography and Trade: Singapore is a compact city-state serving as a global financial and logistics hub in Asia, while Ireland is a mid-sized European nation acting as an English-speaking gateway to the European Union.
  • Social Indicators: Singapore often scores higher in public safety, infant survival rates, and infrastructure efficiency, while Ireland ranks higher in overall land space, coastline, and specific Western-style democratic metrics.

Want more? OPEN THESE LINKS!!!:

No I don’t, but GDP per Capita is a good way to show the actual difference in economy between say Australia and Singapore, based on population.

As to Income for Singaporeans, here are some FACTS:

lol no its not
You read that Irelands GDP is a trading gdp so skewed so is Singapores
Who has a better standard of living and wealth the ozzie or the Singaporean?
I dont think you can ever learn how it works.

Start looking at average wage
Neither Ireland or Australia are handing out food vouchers to cushion the cost of living
Whys is the cost of living an issue?
Wages are low in Singapore so the gov has to help out.

Next we start on debt
Why is Singapores so high, the actual number is greater than Australia so per head its a really bad number.
How is gdp fixing that?

Its exactly the same as a company that has really high turnover but we dont make any money, oh and debt going up to fund on going business.
Can wages go up, no cant afford it. Clearly low productivity.
Productivity s what generates wealth if your not living on a gold mine.

OK you are RIGHT!!! :rofl:

Well the Gov listened to you and bought into Air India to make the GDP go up which it did as money churn is the only thing it measures.

Hows that working out? Everyone getting richer?

Air India seeks $1.9 billion from owners Tata, Singapore Airlines as losses mount, sources say | The Straits Times .

When they send the 1.9 billion gdp will go up again!!

How do ethnic-based policies affect national unity in multicultural countries?

Source:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-ethnic-based-policies-affect-national-unity-in-multicultural-countries

Nice article

Gov forcing racial groups with vastly different religions together is all they can do along with controlling the press but its a ticking time bomb as there is never integration and external forces usually enhance that by trying to force political divide using the racial divide.
Singapore uses a heavy hand to prevent that and that’s the right thing to do.

Its used a political tool in the rest of Asia and now in the West too as they import nothing but trouble from Asia and Africa

A lot of the West is reaping what they sowed by causing all manner of problems with wars and fomenting insurrection in Asia and Africa and leaving a hell of a mess behind. Resulting in legitimate refugees trying to escape and with them come some criminals because? Who can tell them apart? Like westerners they all look alike :laughing:

Goes back to the Colin Powell saying,“War in that region is like the Pottery Barn, you break it you bought it.” or suffer the consequences

First thing first; No it was NOT all they did:

  • They made English the common language of education, replacing schools run by clans in various Chinese dialects. (Hokkien, Techow, Cantonese etc.) and various religious schools. (Madrasas, Christian Mission Schools etc., unless they altered their curriculum to comply)
  • They also enforced teaching of “Mother tongue” as a side language, depending on racial background. (Mandarin for Chinese, Bahasa Melayu for Malays and Tamil for those of Indian origin.
  • Moving people from segregated Kampongs for different races and dialect groups into common housing blocks and “New towns” also made “Singlish” the common language of conversation. (It replaced “Bazaar Malay” as the language at the local “wet markets”).
  • They got rid of widespread corruption, (starting from the top)
  • They eliminated the Chinese Triads that had run much of the criminal activity in Singapore.

All this created the far more “harmonious”, yet multi-racial society, you find in Singapore today.
Most people are aware of their different ethnic background, but they feel SINGAPOREAN first, Chinese, Malay, Indian, or whatever, second.

Yes the “Racial divide” is there, but it does NOT dominate people’s life like it did before.
It is mostly felt on holidays that is special for one religious group, (like Chinese New Year, Christmas, Hari Ray Puasa etc.)
This also has an advantage since, when one group is celebrating, the other groups can fill in and keep society ticking.

Having experienced the days of race riots in the 1960, and seen the developments since first hand, I don’t shear your worries about a return of those times.

PS: I have NEVER felt any animosity towards myself from the local population in all the years I lived there. Not because of race, or anything else.
Even back in the days when many Singaporeans were struggling economically, while Europeans were seen as rich and privileged (right or wrong).

Yes one of the successes of Singapore was forcing English as the language of business.
LKY only spoke English and Malay

The speak Mandarin campaign in later years was a mess as it dropped mother tongue.
They tried to fix it later by too late.

So you have the situation now where kids cant talk to their grandparents as they dont speak Malay or the original family dialect.
If the family was strong in dialect then the Mandarin was poor for the kids as only spoken at school.

Now language is becoming a big issue again, 2 million foreign workers speaking their dialect. There are only 3 million locals over 21
Public transport announcements are just about all in north asian dialect I notice.
Chinese chains opening restaurants 100% mainlanders, no English

great saying, so true.

The USA warmongers dont learn and as everyone said was going to be Trumps biggest fight to stop them.
Currently it looks like he lost they won.

Europe has its Germans trying to take over Russia using Ukraine as the cannon fodder.
All the drama upsets a small trading nation with zero natural resources.

Your loose relation to facts really shine through here:
English as the language of education was the master stoke. English as the language of business was already there in colonial times.

https://youtube.com/shorts/sLRplbqCQjk?si=V9VON88wv06zcX6F [quote=“powerabout, post:318, topic:71447”]
Public transport announcements are just about all in north asian dialect I notice.
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The “North Asian dialect” you are talking about is presumably Mandarin, one of the 4 official languages in Singapore?
FYI: Mandarin (Putonghua) pronunciation is based on the Mandarin dialekt spoken in Beijing. It is the official language in China, both PRC and on Taiwan (ROC). Widely used as the common language among overseas Chinese.
BTW; English announcement is used first on MRT trains and station, Mandarin second. The other official languages are mainly found on notice boards and emergency plaques:

Singapore has nearly 1.6 million foreign workers, making up about 40% of the workforce:
Categories: The foreign workforce includes low-wage Work Permit holders (the largest group, often in construction, marine shipyards, and domestic work), mid-skilled S Pass holders, and higher-skilled Employment Pass professionals.
No formal English skills are required, but for S Pass and Employment Pass holders it is usually a requirement by their employers.

Even Migrant Domestic Workers (MDWs) must undergo a settling-in programme (SIP) upon arrival, which includes basic communication and safety training, but fluent pre-entry English is not strictly mandated.

That there are a lot of Chinese chain restaurants opening shop in Singapore is correct: The rise of Chinese F&B in Singapore | The Straits Times
Whether it is “100% mainlanders, no English” is something I can’t confirm or disprove, since it has been a few years since my last visit to Singapore. (2019-20)

The problem with English in education is it took decades for that to filter through.
Its wasnt a proclamation like English for Government and Business so many still were at Chinese language schools.
They go home and work in their dialect so English just a subject at school maybe.
You make it sound like it happened at federation.

Horrible standards of English is still an impediment to many Singaporeans employment.
Sure its disappearing now but a generation has been damaged
Common knowledge in the 80’s and on you couldnt have a local Chinese answer your phone for your business if any clients were English speaking.

Older people when they had the Nun’s teaching, all speak English well or native Cantonese and Teo Chew speakers as the dialect suits English intonation, so the speak Mandarin campaign ( huge mistake by the PAP) destroyed that so the English standards dropped dramatically in the young Chinese, didnt effect Malay or Indian.

I was in a several meetings on a IT project for a huge US client, 5 years ago, they could not understand the young Singaporeans Chinese trying to speak English, kept asking me ‘what did he say’ They had that very poor Singlish converted from mandarin where they try to make all words one syllable so you end up asking them to spell the words they are saying even after they repeat it 3 times.
In English you need to get the start and the end of a word, but there is no end of the words.
Saw plenty of that in the offshore game and foreigners could not understand the local Chinese speaking English.

I was in a large food court style restaurant the other day 100% Myanmar staff, didnt know what steamed was…
Guy in the kitchen works off the photos…
All this with prices going up dramatically.
Dont worry Singapore’s future is cheaper workers who cant speak English.

MOM said the figure 1.9XXXX Million the other day but it scared people so that news has been scrubbed from the internet.
Its was a record which was why it was in the news.
Pretty clear to everyone food areas now filling up with Indian slop shops and other traditional places closing down.
Dormitories being built everywhere.
Huge amount of construction going on island wide.