Shipowners Sue Coast Guard Over Pilotage Rates

[QUOTE=c.captain;185581] states that these vessels are to have US mariner crews if they are under “effective control” of a US entity which they always are. If Olympic or Island Offshore have a vessel chartered to Oceaneering, that vessel is under the control of the latter and not the former when working.
[/QUOTE] What sort of strange logic are you operating with? So on a CSV it’s not the Master that’s in command but the Client Representative?

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AND IF THERE IS ONE NORWEGIAN HERE WHO CAN PROVE TO ME THAT NORWAY DOES NOT PROTECT ITS TURF IN THEIR OFFSHORE INDUSTRY FOR ITS CITIZENS THEN PLEASE DO SO OTHERWISE SUCK MY WANG![/QUOTE]
Sodd off. It’s the accuser that have to bring the evidence.

“EFFECTIVE CONTROL”…SIR! NOT COMMAND! Who controls the vessel? The charter controls it and this is what a court in the USA needs to decide.

Sodd off. It’s the accuser that have to bring the evidence.

Oh did I get your dainties all in a twist? Pity poor you…

in the meantime you may

what a DRITTSEKK you are!

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[QUOTE=c.captain;185584]“EFFECTIVE CONTROL”…SIR! NOT COMMAND! Who controls the vessel? The charter controls it and this is what a court in the USA needs to decide.[/QUOTE] The vessel owner controles the vessel. The charter has hired a service.

[QUOTE=c.captain;185584]Oh did I get your dainties all in a twist? Pity poor you…DRITTSEKK!

in the meantime you may

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c.varys.captain
You are as cockless as the character.

[QUOTE=Kraken;185585]The vessel owner controles the vessel. The charter has hired a service. [/QUOTE]

now there it is folks, naked for all to see…foreigners WANT to have it all their way in OUR GoM and are prepared to TAKE it as suits them. They care nothing for those who lose in this equation. This is what BOILS MY BLOOD! Anyone here who is unemployed now from the offshore GoM is being displaced by men like our PHISHPHACED PHUCK here. They are SELFISH BASTARDS who unless stopped by a court of law will continue to FUCK US ALL UP THE ASS and LAUGH AS THEY DO!

now someone give this ASSHOLE a towel to wrap his teeth in…

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[QUOTE=c.captain;185588]there its is folks, naked for all to see…foreigners WANT to have it all their way in OUR GoM and are prepared to TAKE it as suits them. They care nothing for those who lose in this equation. This is what BOILS MY BLOOD! Anyone here who is unemployed now from the offshore GoM is being displaced by men like our PHISHPHACED PHUCK here. They are SELFISH BASTARDS who unless stopped by a court of law will continue to FUCK US ALL UP THE ASS and LAUGH AS THEY DO!

now someone give this ASSHOLE a towel to wrap his teeth in…[/QUOTE]

I don’t even know how to respond to this drivel. And to think no one wants you as their Captain on a foreign construction vessel, they must be out of their minds.

[QUOTE=Kraken;185589]I don’t even know how to respond to this drivel. And to think no one wants you as their Captain on a foreign construction vessel, they must be out of their minds.[/QUOTE]

HEY DOUCHEBAG…this is not about me, but about my brother American mariners who are out of work. I no longer serve in the GoM, however I will ALWAYS champion the cause of any American over a SELFISH Norwegian CRETIN like yourself

[QUOTE=c.captain;185591]HEY DOUCHEBAG…this is not about me, but about my brother American mariners who are out of work. I no longer serve in the GoM, however I will ALWAYS champion the cause of any American over a SELFISH Norwegian CRETIN like yourself[/QUOTE]

And they have a worthy champion. You are like a modern day Shakespeare with your words.

And do I really need to find the post where you state that you are more than willing to command a foreign DP3 vessel in the GoM?

[QUOTE=c.captain;184999]I would be more than happy to be master on a nearly brand new DP3 offshore construction vessel regardless of where is was built or what flag it flies.[/QUOTE]

Any of us would if the price was right. If they insist on using a furin vessel in our waters then we need to crew it. We will even class the joint up with feng shui and strategically place spit bottles all over the bridge.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;185598]Any of us would if the price was right. If they insist on using a furin vessel in our waters then we need to crew it. We will even class the joint up with feng shui and strategically place spit bottles all over the bridge.[/QUOTE]

Spit bottle for the tobacco chewing crew joining I assume??
Feng Shui may become an issue at some stage, but I don’t think that is much of a problem in the near future, although there are three Chinese rigs and at least one seismic vessel in Norway at the moment.
Who knows, they may show up in the GOM one of these days. It is unlikely you will have much of a problem, as long as nobody get stupid on religious grounds, that is.

I presume you have no problem with Chinese Heavy Lift Vessels delivering cargo directly to the large foreign SSCVs setting deck structures on spars or platforms in the GOM from time to time? After all there are no US flag civilian HLV that could do the transportation, or Crane barge that can lift >10,000 m.t.

There is one COSCO HLV on the way from Singapore to Norway right now to do just that: https://gcaptain.com/video-ivar-aase...ide-sail-away/

Familiar place, familiar ship doing a familiar operation. Several familiar faces as well. I used to do these things, incl. as Loadmaster for COSCO.

Regardless of the oil patch (may I never return), or fishing rights, the tag of this thread deals with US Great Lakes Pilotage rates and covers only the US pilots working the upper St. Lawrence, the five lakes, and Detroit, St. Clair, and St. Mary’'s rivers.

The USCH badly mismanaged pilotage up there for decades and things finally popped during the 2014 navigation season. Ice delays at the beginning of the season coupled with a shortage off pilots caused shippers and agents to scream for more bodies. Few Lake sailors were interested due to chronic undercompensation, antiquated work rules, and the incompetence of US CG management. The new rate is a significant improvement both in target (not guaranteed) compensation and a more realistic method of calculating this number. If the suit goes through, the CG will merely prove they are more about political appearance than navigational safety. I did that job for a long time and don’the miss the political BS of rate calculation or CG ineptitude. (Details on request)

[QUOTE=c.captain;185581]YES!

AND IF THERE IS ONE NORWEGIAN HERE WHO CAN PROVE TO ME THAT NORWAY DOES NOT PROTECT ITS TURF IN THEIR OFFSHORE INDUSTRY FOR ITS CITIZENS THEN PLEASE DO SO OTHERWISE SUCK MY WANG! .[/QUOTE]

Of course Norwegians try to protect their turf, but within the limitation of the rules that is govern international trade and their treaty with the EU, which demand free market, incl. in shipping.

One of the main ways of ensuring that Norwegian seafarers are prioritized is to ban NIS flagged vessels from operation in the Norwegian oil patch and coastal trade and preferential taxation for Norwegian seafarers to stays competitive with their foreign counterparts at all levels. (Norwegians are the most expensive seafarers outside Australia after all)

Are there foreign vessels with foreign crews working in Norway?? Yes there are!!!
Not too many in the oil & gas industry, but that have also got to do with efficiency of the vessels and the aforementioned preferential taxation for seafarers.

In the coastal and short sea trad there are a lot of vessels under Faeroe flag, which is kind of like a FOC, but because they are a “colony” under Denmark, (much like PR?) they are protected by EU free market rules. But there are also vessels under Cook Island, Tuvalu and Kitts & Nevis flag etc.

Foreign Rigs, Construction vessels and others working in Norwegian water and flying FOC flags, like Panama, Vanuatu, Marshall Island etc. do not change crew just because they do a job in Norwegian waters. Likewise, NOR or NIS flag vessels does not change their crew just because they move across an imaginary line dividing the North Sea into different sectors. (EEZ)
Foreign rigs that work on long term contracts in Norwegian waters would normally have a majority Norwegians in their crew, and there are many of them.

Both Transocean and Rowan have rigs working in Norway “permanently”, other US Drilling Contractors occasionally. (OK, these are nominally none-US companies, but you would be hard put to notice the difference)

Other foreign companies working in the Norwegian sector are well know companies like; Halliburton, IM Swaco/Schlumberger, NOV to mention a few. Do they hire Norwegians?? Of course, but not exclusively and not because they are forced to. Anybody with a permit to work in Norway, who meet the required qualifications and hold the required training and vocational certificates required for the job are able to work in the Norwegian oil patch.

This does not exclude American citizens by reason of nationality, but since the training and certification system is VERY different, it may be hard for Americans to meet the requirements without going through additional training and schooling. Hence there are few Americans left offshore, although still a number in shore based positions not requiring the same training. (There is no CEO certificate, but to be a Driller on a rig you are required to have gone through a rigorous regime of schooling and training)

Here is the requirement for working in the Norwegian sector, or on Norwegian rigs anywhere: app.uio.no/ub/ujur/oversatte-lover/data/for-20030509-0687-eng.pdf

PS> Hope this suffice to convince even the doubting c.captain an others who “believe” but don’t know how things work in Norway, or abroad in general.

PPS> I refrain from taking up your offer. If you are in great need, suggest you look for the Blue Oyster Bar.

Here we are arguing about transgender rights, sexual harassment in the work place and the freedom to speak ill of others. Is this MSNBC? The View?

We just had Brexit. That uncertainty alone guarantees the doom of oil prices for two years. Anyone still employed in the patch had better have an exit ready. The rest of us will see our unemployed gulf brothers heading north for our jobs. As Great Britain falls apart the Russians will come knocking at our Nordic and EU brothers’ doorstep throwing the US Asian pivot to the winds.

And all we ‘professional mariners’ want to talk about is how professional mariners should tolerate an ornery old sea-grump?