[QUOTE=AHTS Master;169611]Maybe, I’m sure Scooter will PM you for all my details.[/QUOTE]
Naw…the only value I see in you is for harpooning. with the mighty pointy stick.
I don’t talk to people who support those that would take my hard earned money and redistribute it to those who are to lazy to earn their own way.
I thought you Americans was big on “charity”
We are. I’ll happily give my money to those who are in need. I don’t want the government to do it for me, in the way of taxes. (“Gov’t charity”)
[QUOTE=Swampfox;169621]We are. I’ll happily give my money to those who are in need. I don’t want the government to do it for me, in the way of taxes. (“Gov’t charity”)[/QUOTE]
But if the government could reduce the amount of people in need, wouldn that be a good thing?
[QUOTE=Kraken;169623]But if the government could reduce the amount of people in need, wouldn that be a good thing?[/QUOTE]
word of advice but don’t bother asking such a question of these Neanderthals…the concept is completely beyond their comprehension
the average American hates those in poverty and blames the poor for their plight rather than rapacious capitalism.
[QUOTE=Kraken;169620]I thought you Americans was big on “charity”[/QUOTE]
Yes. Way way too big on too much charity for far far too many, most of whom are not even Americans.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;169626]Yes. Way way too big on too much charity for far far too many, most of whom are not even Americans.[/QUOTE]
Not even Americans? That’s a rather cold opinion. I would think that if you are truly unselfish about charity, then charity to people in need in other countries would not be a problem.
you mean to say that el Prezidente Cheney wasn’t your daddy
d’ya see what I meant? tugsailor is referring to immigrants to the US especially those who are here illegally. Although they are generally dirt poor human beings they are held to be tantamount to being criminals and thus not worthy of public assistance.
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[QUOTE=Kraken;169627]Not even Americans? That’s a rather cold opinion. I would think that if you are truly unselfish about charity, then charity to people in need in other countries would not be a problem.[/QUOTE]
It’s all about karma: What the Tea Partiers Really Want
A very famous person (I cannot remember who) once said: " Charity begins at home."
2 seconds on Google gave me this: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Charity+begins+at+home
And that look clearly like a argument in favor of a welfare state.
There have been examinations of who gives more to charity. One study conducted in the United States found that as a percentage of income, charitable giving increased as income decreased. The poorest fifth of Americans, for example, gave away 4.3% of their income, while the wealthiest fifth gave away 2.1%. In absolute terms, this was an average of $453 on an average income of $10,531, compared to $3,326 on an income of $158,388.http://www.seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2009253657_charity23.html
Money makes you selfish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state
USA is actually using almost as much on social expenditure in % of gnp as Norway, only problem is that you are doing a piss poor job with the money.
How are they going to do that? Ship off the welfare slugs to those great charitable countries of Europe and Scandinavia?
We have a professional class of welfare slugs in this country. Generations of these people learn how to game the system from birth.
[QUOTE=Bayrunner;169637]How are they going to do that? Ship off the welfare slugs to those great charitable countries of Europe and Scandinavia?
We have a professional class of welfare slugs in this country. Generations of these people learn how to game the system from birth.[/QUOTE]
That kind of people will exist in any society, we have them in Norway too, they are called “Navere”. But to live a life on welfare is not something the majority of the population would do. But having a safety net in the form of a welfare state is good to have the day you self is down on your luck.
You cannot compare the mostly homogeneous population of Norway to the population of the States.
I have no problems with a temporary helping hand when someone is down on their luck. It shouldn’t be a way of life.
The only politician I’ve ever given money to.
[QUOTE=coldduck;169639]You cannot compare the mostly homogeneous population of Norway to the population of the States.[/QUOTE]
Mostly? It’s about 30 year’s since Norway had a homogeneous population. USA is more of a mono culture in the sense that you demand total assimilation on the part of the immigrant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Norway
[QUOTE=lm1883;169647]Read the part about ethnicity and you will see what he means. USA is not at all a mono-culture and does not demand assimilation on the part of the migrant, in fact, the opposite is true. This seems to be a regular misconception that Europeans have our country.[/QUOTE]
And what point do ethnicity have with the problem of having a welfare state?
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[QUOTE=Bayrunner;169640]I have no problems with a temporary helping hand when someone is down on their luck. It shouldn’t be a way of life.[/QUOTE]
But the problem of removing the helping hand because some people will take advantage of it, is that the day you self need the help it’s not there.
[QUOTE=lm1883;169651]In Norway? I’m not sure, maybe you should ask your countrymen because it is a frequent complaint of theirs.[/QUOTE]
It’s funny, in Norway I’m far-right but in USA I would be far-left 
I have to give up on this. Welfare state is good as long as it working. But I do see the positive aspects of the American way.
Well I managed to get this thread more off topic then c.captain could possibly manage.