I know a couple of SUNY Grads that are working/worked for celebrity and regents7seas. A bunch of american mates left celebrity because of low pay and getting dicked-over in terms of promised training. In any case the pay is always lower on cruise ships. Working On Ferrys might be a better choice if you want to work on passenger vessels, not sure.
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;90130]I know a couple of SUNY Grads that are working/worked for celebrity and regents7seas. A bunch of american mates left celebrity because of low pay and getting dicked-over in terms of promised training. In any case the pay is always lower on cruise ships. Working On Ferrys might be a better choice if you want to work on passenger vessels, not sure.[/QUOTE]
Wouldnt you also have to get another license to operate a passenger vessel? Just like how airline pilots are under more scrutiny than a cargo pilot?
No passenger vessels compensate by generally having a larger crew compliment.
Do container or tankers pay a lot
Just remember, cruise ships = women! Could be good to mess around them for a couple of years until you decide the real benefits are better than the fringe benefits haha
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[QUOTE=SouthernBornOhioBurned;90125]deep sea= blue water
Container ships or long-distance tankers, basically.
Basically the only US-flagged “cruise ships” left are casino boats…which is basically a boat carrying people that want to avoid gambling laws.[/QUOTE]
Well, kinda. You might want to get a bit more salt water in your veins before commenting on some of these topics. Deep sea/blue water is generally taken to mean cargo/passenger carrying vessels of all types (container, general cargo, dry bulkers, tankers, passenger ships, etc.). Coastwise transport is also grouped in to deep sea, however most of these ships are tankers. Of course “coastwise” can mean Alaska to California/Washington or the route that I worked on for years, Texas Gulf Coast to US East Coast ports (from Connecticut to Florida).
Ocean tugs also work deep sea routes, and most of those are ATBs in recent times. Tugs also work in the oil patch, or “offshore” towing rigs, construction barges, etc. Also in the oil patch are drilling rigs, supply vessels, construction vessels; all pretty much are classes as work boats and do not carry cargo in the general, revenue generating sense. The cargo they do carry is to supply drilling rigs (and when I write drilling rigs, I also mean drill ships), construction vessels and platforms. Right now, there is a lot more work for US mariners in the oil patch.
NCL has at least one US flagged passenger ship, and that is for the Hawaii trade. Because of the Jones Act, any ship that carries passengers and cargo between US ports must be US flag (with waivers granted, however that is a topic of other posts). There used to be some small coastwise passenger ships that ran up and down the east coast of the US, but I am not sure if they are still in business.
Brown water is generally used for trade on the intercoastal waterway and river system in the US. There is some interface with oil patch work, too.
As far as casino boats, many of those laws have changed, and I am not so sure that any states require them to even leave the docks these days, or have a marine crew. There are quite a few rusting away in various southern Louisiana bayous.
anyone know the current/future status of the rudder?
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Wouldnt you also have to get another license to operate a passenger vessel? Just like how airline pilots are under more scrutiny than a cargo pilot?[/QUOTE]
A license is a license. There are no sub divisions except for towing licenses.
[QUOTE=SouthernBornOhioBurned;90132]Wouldnt you also have to get another license to operate a passenger vessel? Just like how airline pilots are under more scrutiny than a cargo pilot?[/QUOTE]
A passenger airline pilot does not need any special licenses for flying people. In fact the majority of passenger airline pilots are less experienced than cargo pilots also. If you ever want to be a pilot and want to make money you don’t want to be flying people haha.
Certain parts of the industry require endorsements such as tankers, MSC ammo ships and strange cargo’s but those are listed on the back of your license. Getting back to passenger ships though one of my teachers put it best “why would you want a cargo that can bitch and moan” also it would be unprofessional to start scoring with the passengers but would fill a fantasy of many people though.
[QUOTE=cali deckie;90207]scoring with the passengers would fill a fantasy of many people though.[/QUOTE]
primarily if those passengers are female, attractive, tall, slender, wealthy, horny and have a “thing” for ship’s officers in white dress uniforms
not a bad fantasy at all imo but I still say Richard Gere is really quite gay!
speaking of gay…
I hope to hell that this is not the fantasy of anyone here
sorry, but c.captain does not abide queers especially in uniform!
[QUOTE=Whiplasher;90203]A passenger airline pilot does not need any special licenses for flying people. In fact the majority of passenger airline pilots are less experienced than cargo pilots also. If you ever want to be a pilot and want to make money you don’t want to be flying people haha.[/QUOTE]
Commercial Flying has been my other career, along with sailing. To fly with the Airlines you need, in addition to the FAA “Commercial, Multi-Engine, Instrument Certificate,” another Certificate (aviation talk for license) called the “Airline Transport Pilot Certificate,” or ATP, plus be “Type Rated” in the aircraft.you fly. You may Google “ATP” and “Type Rating” for more info. Steamer, a forum member, has the ATP and was Type Rated to fly a certain aircraft in the Air Cargo business. Should he see this post I’m sure he can further info. Steamer, like me, also sailed Chief Engineer in the US Merchant Marine. I use to pilot commercially in General Aviation and other non Airline/Cargo aviation industries, An Air Line Pilot and an Air Cargo Pilot can not jump from one aircraft to another without first being Type Rated in the aircraft he/she is to fly. I’m not all too sure about the pay differences between the Air Lines and Air Cargo. I suspect the old adage applies, it depends (upon what you fly and the company you fly for).
[QUOTE=Sweat-n-Grease;90214]Commercial Flying has been my other career, along with sailing. To fly with the Airlines you need, in addition to the FAA “Commercial, Multi-Engine, Instrument Certificate,” another Certificate (aviation talk for license) called the “Airline Transport Pilot Certificate,” or ATP, plus be “Type Rated” in the aircraft.you fly. You may Google “ATP” and “Type Rating” for more info. Steamer, a forum member, has the ATP and was Type Rated to fly a certain aircraft in the Air Cargo business. Should he see this post I’m sure he can further info. Steamer, like me, also sailed Chief Engineer in the US Merchant Marine. I use to pilot commercially in General Aviation and other non Airline/Cargo aviation industries, An Air Line Pilot and an Air Cargo Pilot can not jump from one aircraft to another without first being Type Rated in the aircraft he/she is to fly. I’m not all too sure about the pay differences between the Air Lines and Air Cargo. I suspect the old adage applies, it depends (upon what you fly and the company you fly for).[/QUOTE]
You are correct in all points. The bad thing about flying is trying to switch planes. Because the training cost $15,000 - $40,000 depending on the plane. Obviously smaller planes aren’t as much. But yes depends on the company you work for and the size of the plane. So Delta will pay more than say JetBlue, but UPS, FedEx, and DHL ( If they still fly) pay much more than passenger airlines. Unions also play a big role in the aviation industry and for the larger companies seems to be the only place it works half the time. Pilots for most companies get paid by the hour, so seniority counts. Higher you are up in the ranks the higher odds you are to hold your bid.
So many things I could say about this topic but this is not a aviation forum it is a mariner forum so I will stop there.
[QUOTE=“cali deckie;90207”]Certain parts of the industry require endorsements such as tankers, MSC ammo ships and strange cargo’s but those are listed on the back of your license.[/QUOTE]
And these endorsements are what?
The different levels of PIC, High Speed Craft, OIM, etc.
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The different levels of PIC, High Speed Craft, OIM, etc.[/QUOTE]
The only one of those that legally effects your ability to be an officer on a ship is high speed craft, which I believe is an STCW endorsement only.
While PIC does not directly effect your ability to be a OICNW on a Tanker or ATB it most certainly effects your ability to be an officer on that type of vessel.
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While PIC does not directly effect your ability to be a OICNW on a Tanker or ATB it most certainly effects your ability to be an officer on that type of vessel.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I understand that you can’t get hired on a tanker without PIC but it isn’t required.