Oops, They did it again

My affinity for the Indy is because you always remember where you popped your cherry. We were madly in love for 192 days. Then I realized she was just using me until the next 18 year old kid came along.

Thanks for the photos of those lovely, graceful ladies long gone now.

CC, I had to cheat and do some Googling- I hadn’t seen Repo Man in a long, long time! :slight_smile:

Here’s another article from the NY Post- bear in mind it’s a tabloid paper but it’ll give you an idea of how conditions on the ship are deteriorating fast. Just wow.

[QUOTE=catherder;98549]Thanks for the photos of those lovely, graceful ladies long gone now.

CC, I had to cheat and do some Googling- I hadn’t seen Repo Man in a long, long time! :slight_smile:

Here’s another article from the NY Post- bear in mind it’s a tabloid paper but it’ll give you an idea of how conditions on the ship are deteriorating fast. Just wow.[/QUOTE]

Good FUCKING Jack Lord! Unbelievable! Staggering! I’m flabbergasted and stunned!

Foul conditions aboard stranded Carnival cruise ship Triumph: Passengers describe ‘sewage running down the walls’ and people acting like ‘savages’
Since a fire broke out in an engine room Sunday morning, the Carnival Triumph has been drifting off the coast of Mexico. A total of 3,143 passengers and 1,086 crew have been forced to make do with cold food, no hot water, sweltering indoor temperatures, and few working toilets. A tow boat is expected Thursday, after an initial plan to tow the ship to a port in Mexico was scrapped.

By Erik Ortiz AND David Knowles / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Monday, February 11, 2013, 4:58 PM

A carefree Carnival cruise has descended into a holiday of horrors.

Desperate passengers stranded aboard the Carnival Triumph in the Gulf of Mexico are describing foul conditions they fear will worsen — even as tug boats began towing the massive ship Tuesday to a port in Mobile, Ala.

The disabled vessel, carrying more than 4,200 people, isn’t expected to reach the shore until Thursday after an earlier plan to dock in Mexico was scrapped.

“Conditions are getting worse by the hour,” passenger Debra Rightmire texted to ABC News. “Cabin carpets are wet with urine and water. Toilets are overflowing inside cabins. We are having to sleep in the hallways.”

Another passenger said some people are sleeping in tents on the deck because of a pungent smell caused by improper refrigeration.

“We stood in line for four hours to get a hamburger,” Shelly Crosby texted to ABC News.

A fire in the Triumph’s engine room Sunday morning crippled the enormous ship 150 miles off the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula, leaving 3,143 passengers and 1,086 crew members on board with limited power. No one was injured.

The ship set sail from Galveston, Texas, on Feb. 7 and was due to return from Mexico on Feb. 11. After the fire, officials planned to have the boat towed to a Mexican port on Wednesday, but said Monday night that strong currents sent the vessel adrift 90 miles. Two small ships are slowly pulling the Triumph to Mobile.

Brent Nutt, whose wife, Bethany, is on board, spoke to CNN Sunday night about conditions on the Triumph, which is relying on backup power generators.

“She was crying … and she just wants off of the ship,” Nutt said. “I mean, it’s horrible. There’s no running water. There’s no power. They are having to use the restroom in buckets and bags.”

“It’s like a bunch of savages on there,” he added. “If you get on the blogs, they’re saying that people are fighting over food and stuff.”

Toby Barlow told CNN that his wife, Ann, a passenger on the ship, texted that the plumbing failed and people were defecating in bags and urinating in showers.

She also told him there’s “sewage running down the walls and floors,” he said.

“Elderly and handicap(ped people) are struggling,” she texted, according to CNN. “The smells are gross.”

Carnival, whose advertising tagline is “All for fun, fun for all,” confirmed that passengers were now facing a series of challenges aboard the the Triumph.

“Currently, public and cabin toilets are operational in certain sections of the ship, power has been restored to a limited number of elevators and power in the Lido dining area is providing for hot coffee and limited food service,” Carnival said in a statement posted to its website.

Before power generators were able to re-start toilets aboard the boat, passengers were forced to use plastic bags, which they then turned over to crew members, the Wichita Business Journal reported.

Melinda Ramos, the 19-year-old daughter of passengers Mary and Matt Ramos, told the Houston Chronicle that the fire and power outage had certainly altered her parents’ vacation.

“He might be completely joking, but he said they’re sleeping in tents outside,” Ramos said.

With the boat’s air-conditioning knocked out, temperatures inside the boat are quite hot, the Wichita Business Journal reported.

Other Carnival ships nearby have delivered food to the stricken Triumph, and the U.S. Coast Guard is monitoring the situation.

The company says it will refund passengers for the cost of the cruise, as well as a future “credit equal to the amount paid” for the ill-fated voyage.

I have so many questions but can only think what FUCKING USELESS LEADERSHIP ON THAT SHIP! I didn’t know Carnivore hire Shittino back!

So… What they supposed to do without power?

Shit Happens … :smiley:

[quote=topsail;98675]shit happens … :d

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priceless !

WTF? how can an entire electrical system for such a large ship be so totally fried…this literally staggers the imagination to contemplate the living hell that CARNIVAL TRIUMPH has become.

[B]Boss of Carnival cruise ship adds insult to misery by going to basketball game as 4,000 suffer aboard ‘stinking stricken ship’ with urine-soaked carpets and sewage in cabins[/B]

Carnival CEO and Miami Heat owner Micky Arison pictured at basketball game while 4,200 people are stranded on a Carnival cruise
Passengers sleeping on the decks because of no air conditioning, the toilets won't flush and four-hour lines for food
Guests on board have been cheering and waving to sister ships pulling alongside to drop off supplies
Boat is crawling to shore at the pace of a few miles per hour - expected to reach Mobile, Alabama on Thursday

By Thomas Durante, Sara Malm and Louise Boyle
PUBLISHED: 00:58 EST, 13 February 2013 | UPDATED: 07:41 EST, 13 February 2013

As thousands of cruise ship passengers continued to endure a nightmare aboard a broken down ship today, the CEO of Carnival Cruise Lines didn’t have a care in the world as he took in a game of hoops.

As his customers suffer through putrid smells and unbearable temperatures, CEO Micky Arison headed to the American Airlines Arena Tuesday to enjoy a different kind of Heat - the Miami basketball team.

Arison, who owns the team, smiled in the stands as LeBron James and company handily defeated the Portland Trail Blazers 117-104.

But there are anything but smiles among the 4,200 people aboard the Carnival Triumph, which is currently being towed back to the U.S. after losing power in the Gulf of Mexico.

The ship, which was supposed to reach port on Monday, is now scheduled to reach Mobile, Alabama, on Thursday - facing passengers with three additional days at sea.

Meanwhile, those aboard the stricken ship are using patchy cellphone coverage today to say that ‘conditions are getting worse by the hour.’

Some of the 4,200 people on board reported that cabin carpets are soaked in urine, passengers are sleeping in tents on deck and scarce food supplies has reduced them to eating cold onion sandwiches.

The ship has been stranded since Sunday after a fire in the engine room crippled the power system.

The first tug boat reached the Carnival Triumph on Monday night and it is being towed to Mobile, Alabama at the rate of a few miles per hour.

Reports say that there are only five working bathrooms for the more than 3,000 passengers on board.

The rest are being asked by the crew aboard the vessel to urinate in cabin showers and defecate in bags.

Ann Barlow told CNN: ‘It’s disgusting. It’s the worst thing ever.’

She told the network that the staff has been helpful, but that is doing little for the putrid conditions, including the unbearable heat and long lines for food and bathrooms.

STRANDED AT SEA: HOW A DREAM VACATION BECAME A NIGHTMARE

'Toilets are overflowing in the cabins, we are having to sleep in the hallways. Onion and cucumber sandwiches last night.

‘Cabin carpets are wet with urine.’

‘No power, no water, having to use the bathroom in bags.’

‘People are fighting over food and stuff - that’s a bunch of savages.’

‘We have no power AT ALL, which means we can’t use the toilets, wash our hands, or take a shower’

A blogger Clinty76 reporting what his wife told him on board the Triumph

‘There’s no lights, no water, we can’t flush. Some people were able to shower.’

Another passenger, Debra Rightmire, texted ABC: 'Conditions are getting worse by the hour. Cabin carpets are wet with urine and water.

‘Toilets are overflowing in the cabins, we are having to sleep in the hallways. Onion and cucumber sandwiches last night.’

Another Donna Gutzman wrote: ‘There’s no lights, no water, we can’t flush. Some people were able to shower.’

Those on board were only able to make contact with land via their phones when sister ship, the Carnival Legend pulled up alongside to drop off limited supplies on life rafts.

Holidaymakers have been forced to sleep outside as there is no air conditioning in their sweltering cabins.

Some passengers have no options other than bags or buckets for toilets with reports of ‘raw sewage running down the walls’.

The news came amid claims that those on the ship have turned into ‘savages’ and are fighting over food, relatives said.

Passengers are reportedly queuing up to four hours to get a hamburger.

David Raynes, from New Hampshire, is on sister ship the Carnival Legend.

He took a picture of passengers on the Triumph on Monday, lined along the top deck, staring out to sea.

He wrote on Facebook: 'Our ship shuttled supplies to them, which was not an easy task due to the wind and high waves – it was hard for the boat they were using to get up close to the other cruise ship and then back to ours. They made at least two trips.

'Another ship, the Conquest, came along to bring more food to them. We could hear announcements from the Triumph, and their guests cheered when they heard the news that a tugboat was just 17 miles away. It arrived before we left. We were there about five hours.

The Triumph made a pass by us and the guests cheered and waved to us.’

CBS Houston reported that 500 passengers are McDonald’s workers from the Houston area, mostly local franchise owners and executives of the restaurant chain.

The ship is listing to 4.5degrees and although not dangerous, the angle of the boat is ‘not normal and would definitely be felt by passengers walking around’, an expert told MailOnline.

A 25-mph south-southeasterly wind has made it too difficult to tow the ship to its original destination of Progreso, Mexico, so the vessel has changed course and is heading north to Alabama.

Carnival Cruise Lines president, Gerry Cahill, said: 'All guests on the current Carnival Triumph voyage will receive a full refund for the cruise, along with transportation expenses.

'In addition, they will receive a future cruise credit equal to the amount paid for this voyage, as well as reimbursement of all shipboard purchases during the voyage, with the exception of gift shop and casino charges.

He added: 'We’re terribly sorry for the inconvenience, discomfort, and frustration our guests are feeling.

'We know they expected a fantastic vacation, and clearly that is not what they received. Our shipboard and shoreside teams are working around the clock to care for our guests and get them home safely.

Brent Nutt, whose wife Bethany is on board, claimed that brawling has broken out among hungry passengers because food is so scarce.

At least one person has also been transferred off the ship because they are in need of dialysis and can’t wait for the power to come back on.

The National Transportation Safety Board said it has opened an investigation into an engine room fire that crippled a cruise ship carrying more than 4,000 people in the Gulf of Mexico.

The NTSB said in a statement Tuesday that the agency and the U.S. Coast Guard are sending investigators to Mobile.

The NTSB says the Bahamas Maritime Agency will lead the investigation since the ship carries a Bahamian flag.

The Carnival Triumph was left stranded 150 miles off the coast of Mexico after a fire broke out in the engine room.

By Monday afternoon, some of the ship’s power had been restored, but not enough to get the disabled ship moving again.

Although none of the 3,150 passengers and 1,100 crew were injured, the ship was adrift off southern Yucatan peninsula for an entire day before the tugboat arrived.

Mr Nutt, of Angleton, Texas, said his wife called him to say the plumbing wasn’t working - but he was horrified by what he heard next.

He told CNN: 'She said that that would be the last phone call I was going to get. They have no power, there’s no way to charge cell phones or anything.

'To hear your loved one crying saying she just wants off of the ship and it all has to end.

'All of the girls in their group were calling their family members as well and they were crying. Everybody wants off of this. It’s a big mess, there’s no power, there’s no toilets, there’s no food - it’s like a bunch of savages on there.

‘People are fighting over food and stuff - that’s a bunch of savages. It’s ridiculous. Carnival has nothing at all in plan in case something like this happens.’

Asked if his wife had been given any help, Mr Nutt said: ‘The only help they’ve got is that they told them they needed to stay on the decks or in common areas.’

Writing on Cruise Critic, a blogger named Clinty76 whose wife and mother-in-law are on the ship, painted a similar picture.

He wrote that they told him: 'We are about to get supplies from another cruise ship and apparently the tug boats should be here tomorrow around noon.

‘We have no power AT ALL, which means we can’t use the toilets, wash our hands, or take a shower.’

On USA Today, Gary Keyes of Baton Rouge, La, wrote: ‘My wife (is) on this cruise and has said the conditions were horrible. No power, no water, having to use the bathroom in bags’.

Carnival said that none of the passengers are in danger and that many of the toilets are being brought back online.

It also said that some power has been restored to the buffet, meaning that limited food and hot coffee service is being offered.

The engine room fire, which took place on Sunday morning, was quickly contained thanks to the automatic fire extinguishing system and but the ship was left to operate on emergency generator power, Carnival Cruise Lines said in a statement.

This is the latest commercial catastrophe to hit Carnival Cruise Lines, which reported it’s ‘most challenging year’ in the history of the company in 2012.

In January last year, the Costa Concordia, a 114,500 ton luxury cruise ship operated by the Carnival-owned Costa Cruises, ran aground and sank off the Tuscan island of Giglio in Italy, killing 32 people.

Last month, Costa Cruises said Italian investigators were looking into Carnival Cruise Lines’ potential responsibility for the shipwreck.

The company lost more than $310 million in full-year revenues compared to 2011 and although bookings for 2013 were at the same capacity as previous years, the company has been forced to lower their prices.

The Carnival Triumph set sail from Galveston, Texas, on Thursday, and was due back on today.

However, recent travelers with the Carnival Triumph were not surprised, San Fransisco Gate reported.

Cruise fans took to Twitter and online forums saying recent trips with the vessel had been plagued by engine problems with some experiencing delays and others prevented from reaching their destination.

A Carnival official told the paper that he was uncertain of problems on previous cruises.

Carnival said all passengers would receive a refund and ‘cruise credit equal to the amount paid for this voyage’ and the next two voyages for the ship has been cancelled.

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God I hope all 3200 passengers sue the living shit (pun not intended) out of Carnivore Cruises…bankrupt the FUCKING SONZABITCHEZ!

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Funny, we never had a prolonged electrical loss on any of the american run Norwegian ships. Although one ship lost power in the shipyard but that was a long story.

Carnival is a 4-time looser in the last 3 years. There have been three nearly identical power-failure situations on two Carnival ships and a Costa ship, plus one disastrous sinking of a Costa ship. I sometimes think the USCG is a curse I would wish on no poor soul but in this case I’ve had a change of heart. This whole company needs a serious investigation. If their lack of quality as a corporation and as a manager of ships is due in large part to their size (counting all subsidiaries Carnival is the single largest cruise-line entity in the world) then perhaps anti-trust law violations need to be considered as well. Something is clearly fundamentally wrong with this organization, not even counting the fact that a MASSIVE American maritime company doesn’t hire American Mariners.

String the bastards up high!

See if you can name this movie:

In the words of Ezra Peavy: “When Andy starts talkin’ hangin’ you better start lookin’ for a rope!”

Micky Arison is the dirt bag in charge of Carnival Corporation which is the whole shebang. He also happens to own the Miami Heat and was seen attending a game on the first or second day of the incident, as if nothing was amiss. Sounds like Tony Hayward formerly of BP, but unlike Hayward, the Arison family owns the company and it will take Poseidon and his trident to bring these crooks to their knees.

What people have to do is boycott Carnival and all its subsidiaries but that won’t happen. In fact, I hear that they are booked solid through 2013-2014. Go to the cruise message boards and you will see their staunch defenders. People want cheap goods, cheap vacations, cheap gas, and cheap employees (hence flags of convenience and foreign crews in US waters).

Speaking of foreign flag, watch them get a Jones Act waiver for running what turned into a closed loop voyage from Galveston to Mobile.

Turkeys.

[QUOTE=Tugted;98534]Who’s towing the Carnival Ship??[/QUOTE]

I read somewhere it is a Resolve boat. Didn’t get the name of the second tug sent .

I worked on cruise ships for 10 years as an entertainer with Norwegian Cruise Lines, NYK Line, and Saga Cruise Line. I’ve sailed on “American” ships, Japanese, and English ships, on the old ships (Saga Rose) and the new ones both big and small. The only thing all of them had in common was that some pax can be horrible at times. We used to sail from Hawaii to Fanning Island and in 18months of doing that run we didn’t land pax on the island 3 times, but the times we didn’t you’d have thought we stole those peoples first born child. There are no docking facilities on Fanning, passengers are tendered in to shore. The reasons for not landing people on the island were, a deathly ill passenger that needed to be returned to a hospital ASAP but couldn’t be airlifted, the weather once we got to Fanning was terrible one time, and the last time was due to an engine problem. I’m not sure if it just happened to be the group of passengers on at the time or what, but the worst reacting passengers were the ones onboard when we had to turn around for the sick passenger. The ringleaders of the “rebellion” were amazingly cruel in regards to the sick passenger, handing out petitions to make the ship turn around, yelling at the Captain, etc.

It sounds like the Triumph is on emergency power which is just that, emergency power. I guarantee that a lot of the reports being tossed around by the media are only there for sensationalism. The only conceivable reason that sewage would be running down the walls would be that a sewage line broke and spilled sewage all over a hallway, or people are literally pissing & shitting on walls. I am sure things are very bad out there, but how many cruises go off without a hitch. Yes, the Concordia is a huge event and the recent deaths are very sad too, but lets not assume that these things happen every week.

According to the reports that I have read or seen on TV it almost seems like this is a repeat of the Carnival Splendor accident where the crankcase split and the fire took out the electrical cabling.

[QUOTE=Kingrobby;98722]According to the reports that I have read or seen on TV it almost seems like this is a repeat of the Carnival Splendor accident where the crankcase split and the fire took out the electrical cabling.[/QUOTE]

I was trying to get at a common thread like this about these incidents in an earlier post. Is Carnival installing a problematic power system in all of their ships over and over again? Was it the same system in both ships? Or is this a common operational error on Carnival ships regardless of their power systems? Obviously any conversation is only speculation until we know more but there is certainly the potential for interesting connections to be drawn.

I don’t have the time to look it up as I’m heading out the door, but I swear they used the same Wartsila engines on both ships. Maybe someone can look it up and report back with definitive information.

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;98725]I was trying to get at a common thread like this about these incidents in an earlier post. Is Carnival installing a problematic power system in all of their ships over and over again? Was it the same system in both ships? Or is this a common operational error on Carnival ships regardless of their power systems? Obviously any conversation is only speculation until we know more but there is certainly the potential for interesting connections to be drawn.[/QUOTE]

I think you are on point with the distribution system idea. How else to knock out all six Wartsila (Sulzer) medium speeds? I look forward to the photos and report.

[QUOTE=Kingrobby;98732]I don’t have the time to look it up as I’m heading out the door, but I swear they used the same Wartsila engines on both ships. Maybe someone can look it up and report back with definitive information.[/QUOTE]

Wartsila 16ZAV40S mains and 12ZAV40S aux, found an old service report.

[QUOTE=catherder;98734]Wartsila 16ZAV40S mains and 12ZAV40S aux, found an old service report.[/QUOTE]

More like mains and mains - it’s a diesel-electric ship with a power plant of six Wärtsilä-Sulzer generating sets. As for Splendor, she has six Wärtsilä 16V46C engines that have, as far as I know, very little in common with the old ZA series. Both are quite likely built locally in Trieste, though.

http://www.amem.at/pdf/AMEM_Communication_030_Carnival.pdf

Carnival Spirit is another Fincantieri-built Carnival ship that has lost its power due to engine room fire in recent years. This makes me wonder if there’s a design error somewhere in the electrical system, allowing complete loss of power in case of fire in just one of the two engine rooms…

[QUOTE=catherder;98734]Wartsila 16ZAV40S mains and 12ZAV40S aux, found an old service report.[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not I actually found that same statistic on a sister-ship on Wikipedia of all places. I guess they can be factual sometimes.

You should read the comments in the online news articles about this thing. I could only stomach a few of them before I had to close the page. The biggest common theme in them are all the laypeople yammering on about how flabbergasted they are that in 2013 a ship in the gulf of mexico cannot transfer 4000 people to another ship underway and then be towed back to port empty. I really want to slap these people and then attempt to calmly explain what death-party an underway transfer of 4000 individuals would be.

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;98741]Believe it or not I actually found that same statistic on a sister-ship on Wikipedia of all places. I guess they can be factual sometimes.[/QUOTE]

We sell them the engine coolant inhibitor (liquidewt) and visit the cruise ships monthly as part of a maintenance contract we have with them. Funny thing is, I’ve found old service reports to be wrong and had to go back and either survey the equipment on another visit or look it up somewhere. Wikipedia eh? Nice.