Good evening
I need this detail to make as accurate as possible drawing in scale and to make my calculations /demonstration as accurate as possible.
As You know I have rejected outright the version “ORANGE” basis NTSB report. Tipical example of " past experience " bias. You have given your verdict on my questions and I asked the questions w/o making any subjective judgements. Some do not ask questions.
I have downloaded many clips of Cuauht. entering and leaving many ports . PLENTY!!!. It is evident that it was their modus operandi to con the ship during navigation from conning position on the monkey deck. There is not visual evidence though about sensu stricte docking/undocking.
From this clips it is evident two tugs were used for arr/dep berth.
So far I have found one clip showing departure from Japan or Korea ( they have very characteristic tugs there too) .Conditions were perfect , no obstructions ,dangers -weather fantastic . All arrivals and deps as You mentioned before : loud fiesta music , singing patriotic songs, show of flag -you name it
They were also in San Diego ( two tugs there). Everywhere the same scenario . I do not know of course if this " human telephone " thing was used as means of communication everywhere. Well, we could find out asking sea/docking pilots on arrival NYC. May be NTSB asked , may be not
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I DO NOT KNOW.
It worked hundreds of times but as You mentioned earlier , under stress & pressure it failed this time.
I was biased regarding “orange " version and I am biased regarding visibility . You may call it " boxed” . You work on ships all your life, that have containers reaching the bridge deck forward and above bridge aft irrespective of their LOA and B , then you may develop a fixed -boxed view what BAD visibility is all about and consider concerns on Tall Ships as preposterous. But on that i will expand later.
But I am relieved also that I am not the only " boxed " individual here . The boxed view of some small boat owners and shrimpboat captains , wannabee captains is quite evident looking at some comments.
Now . I have identified on this forum two benchmarks .
- Meme.Lord- " we have the best training institutions in the world and have the best people" . It is in one of the threads like here:
I have absolutely no problem accepting it . It seems logical taking into account traditions, shore line lenght , acreage of adjacent waters, port infractructure, inland navigable waters, number of ports , controlling institutions, professional institutions literature, etc,ect. NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
And against this benchmark I am making my private subjective judgements trying to find proof of such claim versus the whole spate of different accidents starting from Exxon including navy ships .
I am not from Misouri but am a " show me man" and doubting thomas as all know here.
- I think it would be appropriate to quote one benchmark from your own Australia and I am very glad I can do it here.
AUSMARINER.
It should be read in it’s entirety.
I will throw in to complete the picture, one comment from @244 about how he would treat the ship master who had some ideas about navigating the ship in an area of pilot responsibility/duty.
“THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE and what are You gonna do about it” - something like that.
Summarising. The school vessel had travelled in it’s life time milion miles, visited hundreds of ports and nothing happened.
Here I am inclined to agree with alleged opinion I have not found yet from Capt J.Konrad. Swiss chese theory worked here like the swiss watch.
The only missing holes not present untill departure was the NYC docking pilot and the tugboat running about like a headless chicken and so far alleged mechanical failure. Loss fo two precious lives , material damage all as per last Dr.Sal video clip worth in excess of 500 000 usd. Wow !!!Evelauating two Mexican lives that low seems to me a tale telling sign of general attitudes here. It is a disgrace and shame for locals in my opinion.
The conning from the monkey deck , human telephones for comms, laud music, restricted by rigging visibility seems to me , were a permanent features of arrivial/departure fiesta all over the world.
Pic. fm Cuauht. tour video clip .
It appears to me it was and issue for both but solved in a different way .As one commander said : what is it you want to discuss here. They were decapitated in NYC , we so far have not. End of story.
I do recommend to follow Mexican news joints .There are many things You will not find on gCaptain forum and news. Seems to me both actors here are engaged already in haevy duty ass covering procedures.
Reverting with simple math and very simple geometry soonest.
Cheers.
Added some minutes later.
Q: what can we do to inspire moderators to close the thread asap???
A: Ohhhh man.It is very simple . We litter the thread with sufficient amount of not related garbage.