IMO number 7302225
| SEA-WATCH 3 | 2017 | |
|---|---|---|
| DIGNITY I | Medicos Sin Fronteras Espana | 2015 |
| FURORE G. | Rederij Groen BV | 2010 |
| VOS SOUTHWIND | Rederij Groen BV | 2005 |
| VOS SOUTHWIND | Offshore Support Vessels II BV | 2004 |
| SWIFT 1 | Rederij West Friesland BV | 1999 |
| SWIFT | Tidewater Marine (Northsea) Ltd | 1997 |
| HORNBECK SWIFT | Sunset Sg Ltd | 1995 |
| SEABOARD SWIFT | Sunset Sg Ltd | 1990 |
| ALEGRETE | Cia Brasileira de Offshore SA | 1982 |
| ALEGRETE | Petroleo Brasileiro SA | 1973 |
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon.
No matter how good you are, the bird is going to knock the pieces over, shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Thanks, that is what I thought but didn’t know where to look to confirm she was an old standard 180’, gulf stack, OSV work boat. I seen a few pictures of the Sea Watch 3 online & could have swore I worked on her or one of her sisterships when I worked on OSV’s in the late 90’s for Tidewater which is one of her previous owners.
I created this thread to shed some light on the legal aspects of this situation, because I find it both interesting and confusing, believe it or not. Of course, the related moral implications make for an interesting avenue of discourse as well, so long as it doesn’t just devolve into a dumpster fire.
When all sides are accusing the others of breaking the law, everyone is probably right in some way or other. So far, it looks like Sea Watch have SOLAS pretty solidly on their side, if only on a technicality. Somewhat to my surprise, I found the attached ECHR ruling . Does anyone understand on which body of legislation this is based? It has almost entirely escaped mention in the media, since “they” have already figured out who’s the bad guy in all of this, and seemingly have no interest in providing a nuanced picture. I did find this article, which seems a bit more balanced than most, and contained this interesting tidbit:
According to multiple sources, Rackete decided to ignore several offers of safe haven in other countries, and force a confrontation with Italian authorities on rather vague pretexts, including “we don’t have air conditioning on board”. That makes this look a lot like a PR exercise, and a rather successful one at that.
yeah. again look at the larger picture here, if you’re outraged about the smugglers you shoild be 10,000x about the fact that the US, France, UAE et al blew up Libya for no good reason and are sponsoring opposite sides of a continuing civil war that is claiming far more lives than the original civil war and its phantom “massacres” did. You want migrants to stay home? I agree, but Europe has no one to blame but themselves for this circumstance, much like the drug demand and criminalization in the US creates dangerous, genuinely evil cartels in Mexico. it doesn’t let them off the moral hook but for God’s sake look at the situation in its entirety
I was in the port office in Trinadad same time as a capt from a vessel that just rescued the crew from a sunk ship turned up. Had been monitoring all this on the sat com.
Port said the rescued crew are your problem not ours, goodbye, refused to allow them ashore.
After they left I said thats a but harsh, the port staff said we know the company they will not pay to repatriate them so tough.
Note my earlier post: “We feed and arm stone age tribal kleptocrats, maybe it’s time to bury them instead.”
I will try:
The ‘Council of Europe’ (CoE) has nothing to do with the political ‘European Union’ (EU) of today. It dates back to 1949, long before anyone thought about a future EU.
With hindsight, I see it as means to counter the communist’s (USSR)) part of Europe. Winston Churchill was one of the instigators.
The West-European countries, not members of the EU (Iceland, Norway and Switzerland), as some Eastern Europe countries like Russia, are members of the CoE.
The legal arm of the CoE is the affiliate ‘European Court of Human Rights’ (ECHR).
In theory, it applies the ‘Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms’.
However, it is a somewhat free-floating institution, often setting rules for the future.
Both are not democratic institutions, as seen today.
The parliament of the CoE is not elected; the members are ‘sent’ by the present government of the member states. In real democracies, they are proportionally chosen by the strength of an individual party. Most often, the sent people are old party members who are out of love, but deserve a quiet resting place.
For the ECHR it is about the same. However here the sent ’supreme’ judges are seldom former judges of national courts, but former theoretical lecturers at the universities… who complied with the rules of their party.
This charade has nothing to do with saving mariners in distress. Tugging at heart strings doesn’t make it what it isn’t. It’s human trafficking and it’s an international crime, pure and simple.
The same things are happening here. Women cannot walk the streets safely these days. They have to go in groups or are accompanied by males. The government is in denial and doing nothing about it.
We have 40.000 Somalis here, most do not speak Dutch and not willing to learn it, with a higher crime rate than even the Marroccans. About 70% live on social benefits, especially on (foster)child benefits. Children as a business model. They chew qat all day and that makes it impossible to work anyway.
Also, according to the immigration and naturalization service (IND), large numbers of (foster) children arrived on the basis of family reunification, of which it was unclear whether they actually belonged to (alleged) family members in the Netherlands. Somalis allegedly commit fraud on a large scale with child benefit and child allowance.
The Netherlands used to be my go-to place in Europe.
A civilized society shooting itself in the foot and forced to change their way of life to more closely resemble the life styles of third world barbarians they import and financially support. That’s the opposite of progress. So sad that the politicians have let you down.
The politicians here are slowly waking up! They suspect now that Seawatch is being used by human traffickers for their financial purposes and are in fact a part of the system and that participation deserves jail sentences of up to four years.
“Organizations that deliberately sail along the coast of an area where human smugglers are active form the last link in a chain of human smugglers that extend far into Africa,” says VVD MP Jeroen van Wijngaarden. “They do not actually constitute a rescue service, but a ferry service.”
The Italians let her go.
Here’s my shocked face:
Wouldn’t both captains be at fault? Both had the duty to avoid collision unless the police boat could be classified as a government vessel immune to that requirement.
The Italian border police motorboat is seen moored here at Lampedusa island’s harbor, Italy, after being hit by the Dutch-flagged Sea-Watch 3 ship early Saturday, June 29, 2019. However, no visible damage of any importance. Reports said that the police boat was hardly touched.
This is a different matter.,.
Well Funded and Well Publicized NGO struggles to remain relevant. Sea Watch failed to force Italian Government to accede their demand to continue dumping refugees on their soil and the NGO leadership approved a more aggressive method, to which the captain apparently agreed. The risk remains with the captain.
This is a part from a local newspaper. The title of the article was ‘Invasion’.
Whether Sea-Watch’s fight is only humanitarian is doubtful. This is also ideological, as evidenced by the provocations and looking up the confrontation with arch enemy Salvini. Sea-Watch 3 could have taken the migrants picked up to nearby Malta or Tunisia, but deliberately opted for Italy’s “gatekeeper” Salvini. That man must be on his knees, according to Sea-Watch, regardless of the growing anger of a large majority of Italians. Captain Rackete answered the minister while she was still on the boat: “Salvini just has to take his place in the queue and wait for his turn for my attention.” Even a leftist newspaper like La Repubblica disapproved the words of the arrogant captain, as you can read this week in De Groene Amsterdammer: You do not say such a thing ‘about a minister from a country where you come to ask for hospitality’.
It is all part of a plan then to discredit the Italian government and divide Europe even more then that it already is over this matter. We are all countries without borders, feel free to walk in. A country without a border is no country. If she really said this it is of an unparalleled arrogance, that makes her a dangerous bitch.
