pwrmariner,
don’t know where “under way not making way” comes from"??it is not referenced in rule#3 or anywhere in the colregs.
for “not making way”…see rules#26/27
for “making no way”…see rule#35
as far as full sea-time credit for staying tied to the dock or at anchor for an inordinate period of time wish you luck with that!!
please let this forum know what you determine…as there may be mariners on here that work “liftboats” that might be interested in your findings??
Rules of the road and 33cfr’s cover “navigation”, where as 46 cfr’s cover mariner credentialing requirement. 46 cfr 10.103 defines underway speaking of MODUs…and sea service requirements for the different levels. Is to my belief where a lot of this confusion is coming from. I am not trying to meet any sea service requirements sitting at a dock or anchor…Just trying to increase my knowledge, in this area. As the issue of what “service” counts as meeting the “sea service” requirement has been the subject of many. Just read some of the post(s) else where in this forum; where a navy guy wonders why his in port “cold iron” watch does not qualify as “sea service”.
But to get back to the “Mercy Ships”, if you choose to sail on a “Mercy Ship” go in informed-Your service there may not count toward meeting your sea service requirement(s). While there are other benefits, accumulating sea service may not be one of them.
Marine Safety Manual v.3 page 46 Chapter 2-8 section h.:
Service On Vessels Other Than Underway. 46 CFR 10.213© discusses the application of a 25% credit factor for periods of assignment to vessels at times other than underway.
I receive 25% deck credit for the days I volunteer aboard the SS Jeremiah O’Brien. Its not much, but I’m turning it in…
A vessel underway not making way, is drifting…
A vessel at anchor is anchored, they are 2 totally different things, they require different light configurations and require different fog signals…
[QUOTE=pwrmariner;24218]If your going to quote, and hold me to it at least quote everything ! Yes you are right it is covered in the rules of the road, rule #3.
Since I did not make up “under way not making way”, I was wondering where that phrase came from??
Also I have heard that MSC/Prepo vessel mariners’ get full sea service credit even when thier vessels are made fast to shore or at anchor. Granted that info is not 1st hand, so if any one has the 1st hand…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shellback;24243]A vessel underway not making way, is drifting…
A vessel at anchor is anchored, they are 2 totally different things, they require different light configurations and require different fog signals…[/QUOTE]
Yes, and a vessel tied to a dock is fast.
…and a vessel with anchor aweigh is underway:D??
Rule 3, General definitions. An anchored vessels is by definition not underway.
thanks robert but a few post back i, made a reply giving rule #3 as the place to find an answer. The question at hand though was more concerned with sea service credit, which was also answered a few posts back.
Got a former shipmate and pretty good friend of mine that sailed for mercy ships. I will refer him to this thread.
The initial inquiry to me looks like pure sarcasim. So this thread is pretty stupid to begin with.
But I will tell what I know for anyone that is serious about serving The Lord.
From what I can remember Mercy Ships does not pay you anything. You sail as a volunteer. You only get partial credit for sea time. Not sure what the CG formula is. I think around 1/4 credit.
I don’t think you have to pay to sail MC. Operation Mobilization is the one that you have to pay or be sponsored by a church or family and friends to be a volunteer. I have made contributions so that my buddy could stay on. He paid his own way when he ran out of sponsership. And it is not cheap. You really have to have a strong conviction to serve The Lord to pay to work for free. OM is more of a floating Christian book store and ministry ship. OM has a lot of younger people. MC has more older people that are more interested in relief work. The ships are usually on their last leg. They do make a difference in severly depressed countries. MC is more about aid and relief than evangelism.
The whole sex, booze, and women thing is rediculous. What a stupid ass comment.
My buddy has been with and put in time with MC and then switched to OM. He is going back to MC very soon. He was a little put off by the younger generation of irresponsible kids that were with OM. Not to say all are like this. He is going back to MC because he is middle aged and fits in better with them because most are in his age group and take their jobs very seriously.
How do you turn a sarcastic inquiry into Mercy Ships into a pissing match about the rules of the road?
If your looking for sex, booze, and debauchery get on a cruise ship. If you are really serious about following Jesus’s teachings, renouncing your worldly possesions, and really making a difference in peoples lives then volunteer.
Don’t be a dumbass by insulting true missionaries.
Mike Bolinger
Mike,
Please check your “holier than thou” attitude at the door. There was not a single derogetory (sp?) comment to be found anywhere on this thread. Almost to the man, every post has been sympathetic to the work of the Mercy Ships. The OP was merely asking if anyone had any knowldedge of the organization. And yes, threads often move from topic to topic freely as questions or comments come up. From what I can see, there was no personal attack on either you or your “Lord”. The reference to “sex and booze” was offhanded and I’m sure that noone but you saw it as anything other than levity.
The industry is going through tough times and people are looking at every available option which is why the thread was started. Perhaps the job isn’t for everyone, and if the ship is full of people who share your close-minded views of others, I for one would run like hell, even though the cause they’re supporting is a good one in my opinion.
Ryan
I just spoke with Friend Ships.
They may be sending a vessel, and more in the weeks to come, to aid in the terrible situation in Haiti.
I offered my services.
[quote=trekleader;24850]I just spoke with Friend Ships.
They may be sending a vessel, and more in the weeks to come, to aid in the terrible situation in Haiti.
I offered my services.[/quote]
I applaud you Trek. Hope it works out for you.
Ryan
Thanks. We’ll see how it goes. Its possible I may have misunderstood. I just spoke briefly with the girl who answered the phone, she may have been fielding a heavy call volume. It sounded like maybe they’re going to send a vessel in a couple of weeks, and then a couple more in the weeks to come. Sounded up in the air at the moment.
One report I heard said the earthquake’s epicenter was basically beneath Port-au-Prince. The level of suffering there is so unbelievably terrifying. Haiti’s gonna need a lot of help. Without getting into details, I don’t completely agree philosophically with Friend Ships, but all that stuff is secondary to helping those poor people.
[quote=trekleader;24856]Thanks. We’ll see how it goes. Its possible I may have misunderstood. I just spoke briefly with the girl who answered the phone, she may have been fielding a heavy call volume. It sounded like maybe they’re going to send a vessel in a couple of weeks, and then a couple more in the weeks to come. Sounded up in the air at the moment.
One report I heard said the earthquake’s epicenter was basically beneath Port-au-Prince. The level of suffering there is so unbelievably terrifying. Haiti’s gonna need a lot of help. [B]Without getting into details, I don’t completely agree philosophically with Friend Ships, but all that stuff is secondary to helping those poor people[/B].[/quote]
I completely concur. I downloaded the application to see what was required and I wouldn’t qualify to assist even if I had the means to. Pretty stringent set of rules, but for those of you out there who are considering it, I can only imagine that the sense of accomplishment and “good karma” would make the experience very much worth the sacrifice.
Ryan
RDEgan,
Idiots like you is why I seldom post threads on here. There is no denying the original post was a piece of smart assed sarcasim. My “Lord” is your Lord too unless you reject Christ or are of a non Christian faith. Don’t forget that.
I don’t claim to be a good Christian but I am a Christian just the same. My attitude is don’t be a dumbass. If I was “holier than” I would not bother to reply and tell you I think you are an idiot. You have nothing better to do with your time than argue on a keyboard.
If you think serving Christ is closed minded then, yes, MS or OM is definatley not for you. No they do not want druken whore mongering sailors.
The comment about sex and booze was not a joke. It was offensive. Along with the comment making a mockery of hard working missionaries.
Why don’t you ask the lady from MS what she thinks of the sarcasim, argruing, and references to sex and alcohol?
I think she would tell you and the rest of the idiots to stay home. They don’t need you.
Is your attitude one that you go to church with? Do you even go to church? Maybe you go to one of those churches where “anything is ok”. Homosexuals, drinking, sexual immorality, and so on. Just put your money in the collection plate and we will make you feel good about yourself instead of actually following the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed if that makes me narrow minded.
You and the rest of the dumbasses should be ashamed. How dare you try to shame me?
Piss off
Wow… hit a nerve 
Thanks for the dissertation. Kindly replace the soap box when you’re done so nobody trips on it.
Ryan
I say again, Piss off and cram my soapbox where the sun don’t shine. dumbass
to mike bolinger, if this forum is too much for you-Don’t use it !!
I spent my teenage years with Mercy Ships and I found the sex and booze comment hilarious. Why is it funny? Because if you really think your going to party with them, you will be in for a rude awakening! We were not allowed to watch anything but G-rated movies, any hint of dating between crew would have you in relationship counseling, and you never saw anyone even holding hands in public until they were engaged. Sex and booze … that’s funny. Although with the number of Europeans, you can probably find some drinking buddies if you can find a good place ashore.
When I was there, you did have to pay “fees”. Most people get support from friends, family and churches to cover their costs. To my knowledge no one on the ship gets “paid”.
I looked into volunteerinng at Mercy Ships on my time off a few years ago but the prospect of working with a bunch of people like Mike Bolinger for months at a kept me from it . Tell me do they give substance abuse counseling if they find you went to a bar? or gambling counseling if went to a casino ?