That’s what I was thinking. I know you can’t reach unlimited master on an OSV but you can reach chief mate and all of a sudden, you can’t even get 2nd mate.
I got no idea man everybody has a different story and I can’t quote CFR’s as I stated before its a crapshoot sometimes at the NMC it depends on your evaluator and their interpretation of the rules that’s why I always tell guys use one of the licensing services to make sure you get what you are looking for or at least a good explanation of why or why not
You do. Buy some OSVs are unlimited (ie. over 1600grt/3000gt) so count for that. Half your time needs to be above that level.
Is it possible to have an osv under 1600 tons but over 3000 itc, and for that to count towards unlimited?
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;61989]Nope we’ve had two AB’s go to third mate with no restrictions with majority of their time on OSV’s between 1000 and 3000 itc[/QUOTE]
The restriction will come when they upgrade to Chief Mate. After the Chief mate they will need to sail on an unlimited vessel to upgrade, just like a 1ST A/E will have to do. However Engineers won’t get any restriction when getting the 1st unlike the Chief Mate.
Makes sense and I would not argue that with you.
No, it should have a tonnage restriction from the beginning. Third mate AGT limited to xxx tons. If ask your time is above 200 grt and not enough over 1600 grt it is supposed to be restricted. The problem at chief mate is that you cannot go to master without 180 days as chief mate. The only way you can be a “chief mate” is to be on a vessel that requires one on its COI.
From my understanding, that is correct. There’s no chief mate on a OSV so it doesn’t count towards a master’s upgrade. Which means I can upgrade on the OSV I’m on since its a big one
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;62008]No, it should have a tonnage restriction from the beginning. Third mate AGT limited to xxx tons. If ask your time is above 200 grt and not enough over 1600 grt it is supposed to be restricted. The problem at chief mate is that you cannot go to master without 180 days as chief mate. The only way you can be a “chief mate” is to be on a vessel that requires one on its COI.[/QUOTE]
The restriction won’t happen till the Chief Mate. I’ve seen over 10 guys get the 3rd and 2nd mate without restriction off of OSV that are 2998 ITC. The Chief mate is correct however if your on a vessel over 3000 ITC you won’t get the restriction for Chief mate, but still need to sail as a chief mate to get the master license,
Those people got lucky. There is supposed to be a restriction if you doing have half your time over 3000 itc.
Yea well it happens, no different that the NMC screwing people that have all the right stuff and not getting it. I for one was screwed. Easier and faster to give what they ask for then to appeal it.
Any recommendations?
www…msds.bz I know she is ex coastie.
And then there is.
I think the number for Ms. Holly who used to work at the New Orelans REC before Katrina is 504-837-0183. I know she was still offering license services over a year ago last time I heard someone who was using her.
Thats all i know off the top of my do a google search for more.
There is no comparison in pay and benifits between drilling and OSV/marine companies the boat companies will for ever treat it’s employees like second class citizens as compared to the drilling companies. [QUOTE=tengineer;61992]Thanks for the update. I haven’t been keeping up with the benefits in the patch for awhile. As a comparison. The drilling companies and contractors I work with, some of which have fewer employees than the larger OSV companies provide their employees with family medical, dental and vision for around $225/month. The deductibles are about the same. 401k varies but it is normally dollar for dollar match up to 6-10% of salary, some match less of course. Vesting is either instant or 3 years. Many companies do not offer a stock option. Of course they also pay equal time and some pay 125% for time worked over. Everyone needs to figure the TOTAL compensation when comparing jobs and companies. Perhaps the info you passed along will help other make an informed decision.
Thanks, Tengineer[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much
Were are now able to get chief mate time on 3000itc or larger vessels. New stcw definitions. Also, 6000itc endorsed captains now have a route to test for chief mate agt (all 9 tests) with sea time as master on a >3000 ton vessel with their 6000 itc endorsement. Don’t believe me look up stcw 2010. No more bs itc tonnage increases boys, to drive bigger boats we better hit the books.
Wrong and wrong.
But what about the assessments, can those be avoided? And what about additional classes/training, do the classes needed to get to 6000 itc master cover all the requirements for c/m UL???
CM courses are gone, been gone since July. Assessments are pretty easy when you’re the captain.
Not entirely true. The 2010 amendments have not been implemented yet so you cannot apply for anything under them. We have to wait and see the final CFRs when they are implemented to see how it will work.