[QUOTE=Fraqrat;156097]Sounds like bayou boys can negotiate a hell of a deal. Maybe the pentagon needs to hire a few and they won’t pay $400 per toilet seat.[/QUOTE]
yeah, the gooberment will pay $1200 instead! and just in case anyone is wondering…
I wonder if these are hardened to withstand depleted uranium rounds, 155mm field cannon shells and nuclear blasts?
FUCK THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE! THEIR WASTE OF THE TAXPAYER’S MONEY IS CRIMINAL!
Steamer, your assistance is needed here…come in Steamer
C.Captain I would not want to be on a vessel that is being escorted into port by one of these boats with an untrained crew in the wheelhouse. If HOS got the contract then more power to them. Kinda like ECO having the tugs in Kingsbay since the first Trident sub was stationed there. Yes Foss was there to welcome the USS Tennessee when it first arrived, but ECO built tugs specifically to handle them and they have been there ever since.
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156100]C.Captain I would not want to be on a vessel that is being escorted into port by one of these boats with an untrained crew in the wheelhouse. If HOS got the contract then more power to them. Kinda like ECO having the tugs in Kingsbay since the first Trident sub was stationed there. Yes Foss was there to welcome the USS Tennessee when it first arrived, but ECO built tugs specifically to handle them and they have been there ever since.[/QUOTE]
and what on earth do HOS crewmembers do on those vessels that other civilian mariners can’t? They are escorts there to take a missile…PERIOD!
I pray that someone fights this and forces the Navee to put this contract out to competitive bid after year one. Maybe even 3PSC could get it and that would mean union mariners on an ex HOS vessel…GASP!
And why the FUCK can’t surface warships run alongside and protect the subs…afterall they are designed to take hit (or are supposed to be able to). Some FUCKING scardie-cat Navee we have if they have to hide behind lowly OSVs for protection!
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Obviously you have no idea what those boats do or the importance of their mission.
Sure other civilian mariners can do the job after they are trained on the boats and gain the confidence of the Pilots and CO’s of the vessels they escort. Until then HOS will be manning them and protecting our country’s assets.
I pray that the most qualified crews and company remain employed to perform the aforementioned duties, and at this time it is HOS!
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156102]Obviously you have no idea what those boats do or the importance of their mission.[/QUOTE]
and pray tell what do they do other than run alongside the sail on a sub transiting into and out of Bangor or is it so sooper dooper secret you can’t tell me even though I have seen them doing just that dozens of times?
I’ll say it again here, this NO BID CONTRACT is BULLSHIT and you SIR are an HOS apologist for milking the taxpayer so!
[QUOTE=c.captain;156101]and what on earth do HOS crewmembers do on those vessels that other civilian mariners can’t? They are escorts there to take a missile…PERIOD!
I pray that someone fights this and forces the Navee to put this contract out to competitive bid after year one. Maybe even 3PSC could get it and that would mean union mariners on an ex HOS vessel…GASP!
Let me also ask why on earth don’t we have the same escort vessels for the subs in Pearl Harbor, San Diego, Kings Bay, Portsmouth and Norfolk anyway? Why only Bangor? Let’s get every ex OSV to take the missiles for every Navee ship at sea while we’re at it! That’ll solve the money woes for Joe Boss!
Some FUCKING scardie-cat Navee we have if they have to hide behind lowly OSVs for protection![/QUOTE]
This reinforces my comment that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go back to the Orca and have another drink.
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156105]This reinforces my comment that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go back to the Orca and have another drink.[/QUOTE]
and what do you do that my eyes deceive me so?
answer my question…SIR!
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156105]This reinforces my comment that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Go back to the Orca and have another drink.[/QUOTE]
I’m curious about this now… I have to say I agree with c.captain in that there should have been a bid. Now if they are doing something that would take a year to train a new crew that would be a better reason why they didn’t.
Can you tell us all what exactly it is that they do?
[QUOTE=c.captain;156107]and what do you do that my eyes deceive me so?[/QUOTE]
Read my profile. You may have seen my old boat a time or two.
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156109]Read my profile. You may have seen my old boat a time or two.[/QUOTE]
NO! I don’t give a shit about yourself…I want to know what do those HOS vessels do other than run alongside the sail of a sub on the surface?
They are there to take a missile or an RPG or 30.06 slug or a Daisy BB. They do nothing that is specialized at all and spend at least 85% of their time tied up to the pier. Their whole job is a BS waste of taxpayer money. Why can’t Navee surface warships escort these subs?
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[QUOTE=c.captain;156110]no what do those vessels do other than run alongside the sail of a sub on the surface?
You SIR are there to take a missile or rpg or 30.06 slug. You do nothing that is specialized at all and you spend 80% of your time tied up to the pier. Your whole job is a BS waste of taxpayer money. And tell me why these escorts are only in Puget Sound? What about the other sub bases…why don’t they have them?[/QUOTE]
Again you have NO CLUE.
Tied to the pier 80% of the time? I wish that was the case. Read the contract it will tell you where they operate. So you have seen all 4 of these boats in Puget sound? My job was to maintain the navigation system that gave the missile the ability to hit its target halfway across the world. Google Cold War and you might begin to understand the importance of the mission of the Trident submarine.
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156112]Again you have NO CLUE.
Tied to the pier 80% of the time? I wish that was the case. Read the contract it will tell you where they operate. So you have seen all 4 of these boats in Puget sound? My job was to maintain the navigation system that gave the missile the ability to hit its target halfway across the world. Google Cold War and you might begin to understand the importance of the mission of the Trident submarine.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe that BS for a minute…even MSC’s spreadsheet of vessels on charter shows you are “ESCORTS”
and what is that row of containers on the back deck for…sooper secret cargo?\
Maintenance of missile guidance systems my ASS!
[QUOTE=Wrecker3;156112]Again you have NO CLUE.
Tied to the pier 80% of the time? I wish that was the case. Read the contract it will tell you where they operate. So you have seen all 4 of these boats in Puget sound? My job was to maintain the navigation system that gave the missile the ability to hit its target halfway across the world. Google Cold War and you might begin to understand the importance of the mission of the Trident submarine.[/QUOTE]
C.captain is talking about the OSVs. We both want to know what exactly they do that is so important that they did not put a bid contract up assuming that was their reasoning.
I am pretty sure the OSV wasn’t launching missiles and if that’s the case I want to go and check that ship out.
I heard they have missiles in the mud tanks.
[QUOTE=seadonkey;156117]I heard they have missiles in the mud tanks.[/QUOTE]
Hell, I’m working right now on a vessel that literally still has two torpedo tubes in her bow (for testing them, not combat) but they are welded over…pity!
[QUOTE=Whiplasher;156115]C.captain is talking about the OSVs. We both want to know what exactly they do that is so important that they did not put a bid contract up assuming that was their reasoning. [/QUOTE]
this ultramaroon has never worked on the HOS escort vessels but writes defending them like he does. When he is saying how they do more than just escort, he’s full of SHIT! That is all they do and HOS is making bank off of all us you pay taxes. This is a BS contract designed for HOS to clean house on the taxpayer!
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[QUOTE=c.captain;156118]this ultramaroon has never worked on the HOS escort vessels but if defending them like he does. When he is saying how they do more than just escort, he’s full of SHIT! That is all they do and HOS is making bank off of all us you pay taxes.[/QUOTE]
I know. I think you misunderstood him actually or I may have, but when he says he maintained the missile navigation system I think he was talking from the sub. I assume this because that sounds like a digital system and subs would keep something like that inside the hull and I doubt any HOS boys get to go in the sub.
Either way I want to know what these things do besides escort although they probably don’t do anything besides that.
I agree with you that its BS that there wasn’t a bid on the contract. Our government doesn’t have a huge surplus of spending money and even it did there is no reason for them to go just stamping/signing papers on a desk without actually looking at them. I don’t pay near as much in taxes a year as everyone else here does but it still pisses me off.
It’s all classified and on a need to know basis. We don’t discuss what they do and that’s why our company gets to keep the jobs. There is a lot of training that’s required to run one of those vessels. Being an expert boat handler and knowing how to keep your mouth shut are a prerequisite. This is why you would never be able to master one of these highly specialized vessels. This is why they came to the bayou to get the best personnel for the job. There wasn’t anyone local up to the task. You think I’m joking but I’m not. They’ve been wanting local crews to man them for years to cut down on travel costs. The clearance is usually the other hang up for just anyone to do this job. Let’s face it you can’t call the local hall and have a bunch of unlimited guys capable of doing this work either.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;156121]It’s all classified and on a need to know basis. We don’t discuss what they do and that’s why our company gets to keep the jobs. There is a lot of training that’s required to run one of those vessels. Being an expert boat handler and knowing how to keep your mouth shut are a prerequisite. This is why you would never be able to master one of these highly specialized vessels. This is why they came to the bayou to get the best personnel for the job. There wasn’t anyone local up to the task. You think I’m joking but I’m not. They’ve been wanting local crews to man them for years to cut down on travel costs. The clearance is usually the other hang up for just anyone to do this job. Let’s face it you can’t call the local hall and have a bunch of unlimited guys capable of doing this work either.[/QUOTE]
You’re full of crap and you know full well you are blowing nothing but smoke up our asses! Besides there are plenty of union people with all the MSC training and secret clearance available but I suppose it is now written into the manning requirement that the master and mates all have to have DP certificates even though the Navee has no clue what those are. Just a way for HOS to control the contract, plus promises to some base brass hat there in Bangor that he has a high six figure job waiting for him when he retires.
FUCKING CORRUPT CONTRACTING PRACTICES! The US Navee and HOS are in bed tonight making whoopee…I figure HOS gets to be on top this time!
I know that it is likely a shock for me to say it, but I would rather ECO get this one just to stick it to HOS for their dirty dealing here…
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[QUOTE=Fraqrat;156121]It’s all classified and on a need to know basis. We don’t discuss what they do and that’s why our company gets to keep the jobs. There is a lot of training that’s required to run one of those vessels. Being an expert boat handler and knowing how to keep your mouth shut are a prerequisite. This is why you would never be able to master one of these highly specialized vessels. This is why they came to the bayou to get the best personnel for the job. There wasn’t anyone local up to the task. You think I’m joking but I’m not. They’ve been wanting local crews to man them for years to cut down on travel costs. The clearance is usually the other hang up for just anyone to do this job. Let’s face it you can’t call the local hall and have a bunch of unlimited guys capable of doing this work either.[/QUOTE]
I’m not trying to sound like a smart ass here at all but what clearances does one need to view the files? What I am asking is what rank or special permissions would you need in the navy or government to pull this information? I know you might not know it but I just thought to ask.
Now while I can see some truth to your statement I do find it odd that they wouldn’t use their own MSC guys as it seems it would be cheaper and easier. C.captain kind of has a point there. Now if ship handling is a big requirement I could see some of the MSC guys not being able to do it but that OSV is a lot more maneuverable than the sub so I can’t imagine it being the hardest thing in the world to do. I am a student still so I myself could be talking out my ass with out knowing it haha.
[QUOTE=Whiplasher;156128]I am a student still so I myself could be talking out my ass with out knowing it[/QUOTE]
no son, you are absolutely spot FUCKING on and wise beyond your young years…do you go to school with jetryder by any chance?