[QUOTE=Tugslasthitch;175315]What im asking is can you have your Toar completed prior to holding license , working on deck and training in the wheel house on off time completing the check list ??[/QUOTE]
You can do it before holding a license. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to complete the TOAR while acquiring the last of the sea service needed for the Mate 500 GRT license. However, if I were evaluating such an application, I would be skeptical of a TOAR that is completed substantially before having enough service to qualify as Mate and would have a few questions.
[QUOTE=rshrew;175323]Still have to do the 30 days [U]after[/U] his toar is signed off. [/QUOTE]
46 CFR 11.464(g)(1) and 11.465(d)(1) do not specify the the period of observation and training be after the TOAR is signed off. That it is a period of training and observation suggests the intent was that the TOAR would be done during this period.
[QUOTE=fishyluke;175357]The 30 days of “training and observation” needs to be on the specific route for the license you are seeking… Inland/GL, NC/ Oceans, etc. I think it’s 90 days for Western Rivers.[/QUOTE]
It is 90 days for western rivers.
[QUOTE=z-drive;175349]the apprentice mate route is a waste and despite my advice have seen guys struggle for many more months if not years longer than they needed to.[/QUOTE]
If you do not hold or also get Mate or Master 500 GRT, or have at least 3 years service as Master of a non-towing vessel, the only way to get Mate of Towing Vessels is to first get Apprentice Mate.