[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;87264]Would you agree there are different roads to the same destination? The man who started Seadrill was a welder. He probably just got lucky.[/QUOTE]
Yes I would agree there are different roads to the same destination 100%. I am just trying to bleed the information out of people on here, these forums are supposed to help people and guide them. So, what I will do is go through the drilling companies that will allow people to jump from OSV to Drilling Rigs.
This list is from what I know from certain HR or Corporate people and from some information based on requirements. This is for people on OSVs as Master wanting to go Drilling as CHIEF MATE or MASTER (NOT SRDPO or DPO)
Pacific Drilling: Possible to jump
Noble: Possible to Jump
Transocean: Only as Chief Mate and you would have to shadow for some time first.
Seadrill: No Way
Odfjell: No way
Ocean Rig: No way
Stena: No way
Vantage: No way
Etesco: No way
Schahin: No way
Grupo R: No way
Atwoods: Possible, not 100% sure
Ensco: No way
Songa: No way
Sevan: No way
Rowan: No way
Maersk: No way
These are just to list many. Now, alot of these companies will give a guy from one of the OSV companies an opportunity as DPO or possibly SrDPO, and you will depending on experience and your performance could possibly move up quicker than someone who has just done drilling or directly out of an academy. Please if anyone could enlighten on this list and prove me wrong, I would be grateful and I am sure many people reading this would be as well.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;87302]Yes I would agree there are different roads to the same destination 100%. I am just trying to bleed the information out of people on here, these forums are supposed to help people and guide them. So, what I will do is go through the drilling companies that will allow people to jump from OSV to Drilling Rigs.
This list is from what I know from certain HR or Corporate people and from some information based on requirements. This is for people on OSVs as Master wanting to go Drilling as CHIEF MATE or MASTER (NOT SRDPO or DPO)
Pacific Drilling: Possible to jump
Noble: Possible to Jump
Transocean: Only as Chief Mate and you would have to shadow for some time first.
Seadrill: No Way
Odfjell: No way
Ocean Rig: No way
Stena: No way
Vantage: No way
Etesco: No way
Schahin: No way
Grupo R: No way
Atwoods: Possible, not 100% sure
Ensco: No way
Songa: No way
Sevan: No way
Rowan: No way
Maersk: No way
These are just to list many. Now, alot of these companies will give a guy from one of the OSV companies an opportunity as DPO or possibly SrDPO, and you will depending on experience and your performance could possibly move up quicker than someone who has just done drilling or directly out of an academy. Please if anyone could enlighten on this list and prove me wrong, I would be grateful and I am sure many people reading this would be as well.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think anyone wants to prove you wrong, but if you are trying to help the forum, then people must realize what OSV Master means, at least in the context of your list. Are you considering that only to mean the boats that bring supplies to a rig, which is 99.9% of what OSV Masters do? With that background only, I doubt very seriously you will get a C/M position, or even a SrDPO position at any company that you listed. Most get hired as ADPO’s or DPO’s from straight OSV’s.
[QUOTE=anchorman;87314]I don’t think anyone wants to prove you wrong, but if you are trying to help the forum, then people must realize what OSV Master means, at least in the context of your list. Are you considering that only to mean the boats that bring supplies to a rig, which is 99.9% of what OSV Masters do? With that background only, I doubt very seriously you will get a C/M position, or even a SrDPO position at any company that you listed. Most get hired as ADPO’s or DPO’s from straight OSV’s.[/QUOTE]
No, I am not trying to give a false sense of hope. I mean I also would place in this list, OSVs, DSVs, Construction, Anchor Handlers, even Well Stims. If you are a Master of a Well Stim vessel or Construction, you have a better chance, but still only a chance not any type of guarantee or right, and still most (90%) of the companies for management level positions want at least 2 or 3 years of Drilling Exp. I couldn’t go over to a box boat as Chief Mate or a Tanker as Chief Mate, its just not how its done or allowed. You are one of the exceptions and I would say a very low percent, I am not trying to take anything away from you or what you have done, I am just saying that its very very very difficult, regardless of what you previous experience is, that if you dont have the drilling, you will probably not get a management type offer from a drilling contractor.
I am just trying to let all the guys know, what to expect and not have people think, I can go another route and then jump to Master/OIM on drilling right away, it won’t happen, even with all the newbuilds. They still want experience and based on your resume and interview you may have a chance, but you still may have to shadow or start lower and fast track up.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;87317]I am just trying to let all the guys know, what to expect and not have people think, I can go another route and then jump to Master/OIM on drilling right away, it won’t happen, even with all the newbuilds. They still want experience and based on your resume and interview you may have a chance, but you still may have to shadow or start lower and fast track up.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know why people would think otherwise to be honest. You are not going to jump in any high risk job without the experience to succeed. You will either fail miserably, get people hurt, or both.
I will say this though, I had a Master offer from Noble a few years ago, and turned that down immediately. If I would have taken that, I would have been an idiot.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;87316]No, I am not trying to give a false sense of hope. I mean I also would place in this list, OSVs, DSVs, Construction, Anchor Handlers, even Well Stims. If you are a Master of a Well Stim vessel or Construction, you have a better chance, but still only a chance not any type of guarantee or right, and still most (90%) of the companies for management level positions want at least 2 or 3 years of Drilling Exp. I couldn’t go over to a box boat as Chief Mate or a Tanker as Chief Mate, its just not how its done or allowed. You are one of the exceptions and I would say a very low percent, I am not trying to take anything away from you or what you have done, I am just saying that its very very very difficult, regardless of what you previous experience is, that if you dont have the drilling, you will probably not get a management type offer from a drilling contractor.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree with some of that, but if that is what someone wants, I am not going to say no chance at A or B company. Let them knock on the doors and do the leg work, let them find out if they are going to be the next exception to the rule. Very Very Very difficult does not mean impossible. That’s all that I would say.
False sense of hope? Yeah right! Everything is possible. Remember that. If I listened to every guy that told me I couldn’t, I would still be driving the Fast Scout for ECO. Do your job and do it well, that’s all it takes.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;87333]False sense of hope? Yeah right! Everything is possible. Remember that. If I listened to every guy that told me I couldn’t, I would still be driving the Fast Scout for ECO. Do your job and do it well, that’s all it takes.[/QUOTE]
And how does a resume or filling out an application online tell whether you did your current or previous job well? You know that doesn’t work like that. You have to either have someone looking out for you, something to grab the attention of a recruiter or HR person. I know the person who looks at all the Marine applications for Transocean, and he has about 1000 applications from people with OSV exp, and they sit in a pile and are not getting a second thought, and he has no idea how the person does their job.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;87333]False sense of hope? Yeah right! Everything is possible. Remember that. If I listened to every guy that told me I couldn’t, I would still be driving the Fast Scout for ECO. Do your job and do it well, that’s all it takes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=anchorman;87323]Yeah, I agree with some of that, but if that is what someone wants, I am not going to say no chance at A or B company. Let them knock on the doors and do the leg work, let them find out if they are going to be the next exception to the rule. Very Very Very difficult does not mean impossible. That’s all that I would say.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% with you. People should figure it out for themselves, most of us did and why should it be any different for others. You are right, not impossible, nothing ever is. But right time and right place helps, and realistic expectations one should have.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;87317]I am just trying to let all the guys know, what to expect and not have people think, I can go another route and then jump to Master/OIM on drilling right away, it won’t happen, even with all the newbuilds. They still want experience and based on your resume and interview you may have a chance, but you still may have to shadow or start lower and fast track up.[/QUOTE]
I think your argument is real close to a mute point. Just about every person that holds a 100 ton mate ticket or higher that works on a OSV, probably has atleast a DPO certificate of some fashion that might let them go on a drill ship and fill a DPO spot if given the opportinuity. However the percentage of people that actually have a chef mate or unlimited master license to even be able to fill the sopt, coming from an OSV is so small, that it would not even be a blip on the radar. The number of people that actually have the license to fill those positions is small, and the skill set required to back the license up, makes that pool of people even smaller. Very few times can anyone even walk into a 100 ton crew boat captain position without riding as mate for atleast a little while to know the system, the company’s way of doing business and such. Anyone that actually puts the amount of effort into achiving a goal like hawsepipng up to unlimited master, and does not game the system like so many people try to do nowdays, will probably have many opportinuity’s, and not be turned away much, no matter what side of the industry they come from. I can probably count on my hand the number of people that have actually accomplished that, so I don’t think you have much to worry about, as far as OSV guys invading you by large numbers anyway.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;87353]And how does a resume or filling out an application online tell whether you did your current or previous job well? You know that doesn’t work like that. You have to either have someone looking out for you, something to grab the attention of a recruiter or HR person. I know the person who looks at all the Marine applications for Transocean, and he has about 1000 applications from people with OSV exp, and they sit in a pile and are not getting a second thought, and he has no idea how the person does their job.[/QUOTE]
How big is the pile of other applicants. Everyone wants experienced operators. They will never get it of they don’t hire them. I can tell you first hand that when I was a Senior DPO we had Noble Denton onboard for the marine acceptance for BP. It was a positive point that I had been a Master on a large anchor handler. It was written in their report. OSV personnel bring something to the table that others may not bring. My experience is if you have a good mix of people from different backgrounds the bridge runs more efficiently. I learned a lot from the academy guys I worked with and they picked up the proper way to use the F word in just about every sentence. That is a tough skill to master. A lot of unlimited guys both academy and hawespipe go the OSV route to get the DP experience. Some stay and some move on. I understand that wether you did your job well may or may not stand out in a resume, it is once you get there that will make the difference. If you can not do the job luck isn’t going to help you. Some things that can make or break you can not be learned in a classroom.
All of us are very fortunate to be part of this industry. Especially right now. All this new building is very exciting, but for me it makes me nervous. I wonder what will happen 10 years from now. How long will this last? We all should be prepared.
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;87357]I think your argument is real close to a mute point. Just about every person that holds a 100 ton mate ticket or higher that works on a OSV, probably has atleast a DPO certificate of some fashion that might let them go on a drill ship and fill a DPO spot if given the opportinuity. However the percentage of people that actually have a chef mate or unlimited master license to even be able to fill the sopt, coming from an OSV is so small, that it would not even be a blip on the radar. The number of people that actually have the license to fill those positions is small, and the skill set required to back the license up, makes that pool of people even smaller. Very few times can anyone even walk into a 100 ton crew boat captain position without riding as mate for atleast a little while to know the system, the company’s way of doing business and such. Anyone that actually puts the amount of effort into achiving a goal like hawsepipng up to unlimited master, and does not game the system like so many people try to do nowdays, will probably have many opportinuity’s, and not be turned away much, no matter what side of the industry they come from. I can probably count on my hand the number of people that have actually accomplished that, so I don’t think you have much to worry about, as far as OSV guys invading you by large numbers anyway.[/QUOTE]
Point taken. Not trying to start a war here between OSV, Drilling, People who want and People who can.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;87358]How big is the pile of other applicants. Everyone wants experienced operators. They will never get it of they don’t hire them. I can tell you first hand that when I was a Senior DPO we had Noble Denton onboard for the marine acceptance for BP. It was a positive point that I had been a Master on a large anchor handler. It was written in their report. OSV personnel bring something to the table that others may not bring. My experience is if you have a good mix of people from different backgrounds the bridge runs more efficiently. I learned a lot from the academy guys I worked with and they picked up the proper way to use the F word in just about every sentence. That is a tough skill to master. A lot of unlimited guys both academy and hawespipe go the OSV route to get the DP experience. Some stay and some move on. I understand that wether you did your job well may or may not stand out in a resume, it is once you get there that will make the difference. If you can not do the job luck isn’t going to help you. Some things that can make or break you can not be learned in a classroom.
All of us are very fortunate to be part of this industry. Especially right now. All this new building is very exciting, but for me it makes me nervous. I wonder what will happen 10 years from now. How long will this last? We all should be prepared.[/QUOTE]
There are two more piles, one is from experienced people wanting an opportunity of promotion, say a SrDPO to Chief Mate from another company or DPO to SrDPO, etc.
The other pile is apparently academy grads and they are trying to implement a more stringent training and fast track program. Some academies are implementing a DP program and some will let their students now do their sea summer on drilling rigs.
[QUOTE=Jemplayer;87260]I haven’t been gone that long that they any of them have needed a complete refit. All the boats have always been well taken care of. The biggest gripes being the mains on the small boats are just plain wore out. Time to replace those Detroit with something else and the AC’s drains always getting clogged.
Best part was that crew change was always on time and being able to get in one of the lazy boys for the ride was nice.[/QUOTE]
Line & Loader have had 2 refits since you left. Last time I taled to one of the guys over there they still had those wore out Detroits. lol
I agree crew changes were the best…if you work offshore.
[QUOTE=BMCSRetired;87293]The Master on the Lifter always makes sure he leaves late Monday night for that crew change Monday morning.[/QUOTE]
Yea Tuesday morning crew changes were great! I miss talking with them guys.
I’m coming out of a maritime school next year with a 1600 mate with towing and dynamic positioning endorsements. Looking to get into the gulf, where would be a good place to start? Thanks in advance