Despite the union’s initial denial— it appears as though everyone else’s fears were well founded. Doesn’t say much about the current leadership.
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“Bring Lawyers, Guns, and Money”
I was wondering when this was going to get posted. I wonder if MEBA is out too? It would be crazy if these ships were D1 and D2. That’s really the only way to fill that many slots.
What is D1 and D2? Sorry for my ignorance
D1 is MEBA . D2 became AMO.
Wasn’t AMO/SIU on the non-MSP S-12 class vessels?
lol cold day in hell. Right.
The press release is correct in pointing out that APL has tried this before and lost (Guam, Saipan, Cyprene, etc.). Is there some indication that they will be successful this time? Has something changed?
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Last time it was MEBA leading that charge and based on their rekindled love with AMO I’m inclined to think they’re either going to stand aside or back AMO…
Regardless, it’s unfortunate we’re yet again pitting the 3 officers unions against each other. Should be an interesting summer though!
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Trying to get all of the facts straight here and not taking sides.
What is the legal precedent for MMP affirming that the added APL ships should be manned by MMP? Is it in writing in a contract somewhere or bargaining agreement stating that additional flagged-in ships must also be MMP? I would imagine that this is the case. I don’t think “because they always have been MMP” would be a valid reason in court.
If that is the case, and CMA-CGM/APL is side stepping that by reviving a defunct subsidiary “Osprey”, thus going with AMO…what is the legality behind that?
These are the questions that come to mind for me.
I’m going to get burned for this, but it seems like a good opportunity for AMO and MMP to bury the hatchet and split the manning of the ships 50-50.
Those of us who weren’t around for the events of 1984 really would like a smooth and easy working relationship across the board— but the old guard keeps that pot of shit stirring. It gets brought up constantly at meetings and it really means nothing to us aside from their desire to keep the rage fire stoked and the coals glowing. I was taken off my ship in handcuffs by US Marshals! Well… sorry, that’s not going to convince me to hate my friends and classmates who pass me on an AMO crewed tanker or MEBA crewed Express ship.
We all chose our stations in this business so there really is no reason not to work together as professionals towards the prosperity we want at the end of the day.
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Moving these big expensive ships to MARAD is going to force current ROS ships to reserve fleets with loss of maintenance work/jobs on those vessels.
That’s already happening/has been happening for like 2 years now. Beaumont reserve fleet is growing monthly.
If all the companies abandon MM&P then they won’t be an obstacle any more.
Deck jobs are scarce at AMO as well. There’s 2 mate jobs on the board right now, one tanker 3M and an LNG fueled container ship 3M (which requires a special rating).
That hasn’t been the norm though. There’s been quite a few jobs on the board until today, including MEBA CM jobs.
That’s been pretty standard for months now at least. This few is rare but normally it’s a handful of tanker mate jobs and that’s it. Anything non tanker is taken quickly and even Chief Mate jobs have 20+ applicants each.
If AMO and MMP split the manning 50/50 they wouldn’t be able to man the ships. They do not have enough engineers.
You need MEBA in the equation. MEBA is the only union with depth of engineers needed.
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Well, what I was thinking was that the MMP ones could would be straight up MEBA engine but the AMO ones can benefit from the AMO/MEBA pass through.
The writing is on the wall here. If a few leaders can swallow their pride, real gains can be made with officer labor in the US fleet. Adding 20 ships anywhere would require all the officer unions working together to successfully fill all the jobs. If our labor leaders think hoarding the jobs is the way to succeed, they are ignorant. Now is the time to get together, move past our old bullshit and come together. Everyone will benefit. The pending legislation could be a huge part of the changes that we all hope are coming.
And I’m getting relieved in 6 days🤞
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It’s actually more advantageous for MEBA not to split any of the jobs with MMP and have the ships AMO deck / MEBA engine. MEBA engineers would have all the engine jobs and would be able to fill them - AMO can’t fill their own right now. MEBA Deckies could benefit from any pass through deck jobs.
Most importantly it sets up MEBA and AMO better for a merger.
No need to get MMP involved and complicate things. A merger with MMP is very very unlikely.
APL wants AMO but they also need MEBA for the ships to sail. They can’t get AMO top to bottom. If APL doesn’t realize this then they are dumb af. But if they sign MEBA engine and AMO deck then they can eliminate the MMP headache plus eliminate a fight with MEBA.
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