Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;34405]“I’m thinking that we need an administrative (or legislative or judicial, I don’t care) decision that neither BP nor anyone else can “develop” this lease block (thus this tract’s access to whatever oil is left down there) ever. Ever. I say “nor anyone else” because that’s how it would have to work.”
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I read somewhere that BP wouldn’t ever produce from this reservoir because it’s been “damaged.” I tried, unsuccessfully, to find information on how a reservoir could become damaged in such a way as so that you couldn’t extract oil from it.

How can the act of drilling into a reservoir damage it in such a way to make oil unextractable?

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Hmm… The ROV is carrying around a noose. Is this an ominous sign??

That’s BS. The well is damaged but they can move over a 1000 ft and drill into the same reservoir.

[QUOTE=bigmoose;34378]I’m continuing to analyize the BP report. Current point: They decided to pipe the displaced drilling fluid directly to the support boat instead of displacing to the DWH mud pits/tanks. I guess this would save, what 4 or 5 hours pumping the mud off board? To save this time they lost the ability to monitor mud returns by bypassing the mud return flow meters on the DWH. Seems a critical piece of data to loose for 4 or 5 hours of work considering the history of this well.[/QUOTE]

By having the mud on the support boat, didn’t this also preclude the use of the mud to control the well? How long would it take to line up and get the mud back in DWH’s mud pits/tanks?

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;34392]Well, that’s one possible scenario. Do you have any evidence that such is, in fact, what happened? And if this is such a recipe for disaster, why is the industry’s overall safety record good?

All you’ve provided is speculation – please give us some facts to back it up.[/QUOTE]

I have specific evidence. The DWH & a well called Macondo #1. BTW, have you ever run casing into a well? IF so maybe you can tell us if it’s unusual to have to lay down 3 joints in a 3000’ run.

[QUOTE=tvhawaii;34413]By having the mud on the support boat, didn’t this also preclude the use of the mud to control the well? How long would it take to line up and get the mud back in DWH’s mud pits/tanks?[/QUOTE] They would have to take the lines & rerig them then pump mud from the boat & recondition it to pump. You are talking about 2 hours just to get the first pit ready.

[QUOTE=alvis;34407]I read somewhere that BP wouldn’t ever produce from this reservoir because it’s been “damaged.” I tried, unsuccessfully, to find information on how a reservoir could become damaged in such a way as so that you couldn’t extract oil from it.

How can the act of drilling into a reservoir damage it in such a way to make oil unextractable?[/QUOTE] That’s possble but not likely considering BP will drill relief wells if they don’t walk off that will more than likely make oil.

How is this normal- What’s causing this discrepancy?
From BPs well schematic:
12,400# = 800’ 3-1/2” 15.50#
85,215# = 3450’ 5-1/2” 24.70#
103,748# = 4117’ 6-58” 25.20#
= 201,363# weight in air

From Halliburton last 2 hr. chart:
340,000#-400,000# buoyant hook load

[QUOTE=pumpjack hand;34396]Are you sure they did it thata way? When BP signed the rig contract were they promised a rig in good working condition? If T.O. has to shut down to do rig maintenance does BP pay for that time? I’m thinking T.O. eats the downtime. But look, I see what look like mistakes BP made operationally, but I doubt they knew the engines, the bop, or anything else had unsafe modifications. Yes, it looks like some BP decisions led to the need for the safety features to function, but it was Transocean that was given the rig safety award, not BP, BP thought the rig’s safety features were operational.

Do I know that? No. Why is it my gut feeling? 35 years ago I was rough necking on a triple standard and we had just gotten out with 24,000’ of D.P. in time for shift change when a rotten egg smell started to come at us from a rig a mile away and we could see the cloud, we did a double because the roads were blocked and the relief crew turned around, so we had to get in with as much pipe as possible before we had to evacuate because of poison gas, that operator had tried to reach T.D. without mudding up to save money. Operator error.

Now, I own my own rigs and operate my own wells, and once in awhile I deal with a bizarre ingrained attitude, in that no matter how much I stress taking time and doing things the safe way, and doing proper maintenance, a rare hand will think I’m just talking and that what I really want is to do it quickest and cheapest, and my theory is that attitude comes from a previous ingrained work experience under a previous employer. So yeah, it is complicated, and it is interwoven, but in my role as rig owner unless that guy can relearn and do it my way, it’s the highway. In my role as well operator I’m expected to implement safe procedures. True, I’m not talking about anywhere near the costs BP and TO work with, but I’m not talking about anywhere near the profit either.

I think those crews should demand a backup surface bop, from everything I’ve read so far they would have had had the two minutes to get it closed, they should have a 4 way blooey so they can choose a downwind direction. I’m thinking Reading and Bates designed it to TO specs, did they wrongly think they’d never have an issue with a company man and gas would never get into a 5,000’ riser that the 500 psi diverter couldn’t handle? And as Monday morning quarterbacks we can say TO had the right to stop work.

It all seems very clear to you, but this for me is more complicated. There is no innocent bystanders.[/QUOTE]
I understand your points completely & I cannot make an arguement to defend Transocean’s actions or inactions overall, but when you have an operator giving bonuses for time saved because they are not only paying for a rig they are payin for a buttload of service crews, there is a very high probability that these types of corners will be cut. I am not excusing TO’s people, but waving money in front of a guy trying to save a donwpayment for a new house or buy a new car he couldn’t otherwise afford to skip proper procedure, to me is evil. You could also hang the MMS on the ESDs because it is their job to witness the use of those systems I believe every quarter. The main point of my argument is all of these things went on right in front of BP’s noses & being in those guys shoes I can just about guarantee you they not only informed those guys, they more than likely had an in house sales/tech./ engineer caling on the BP drilling staff 5 days a week 8 hours a day to let them know what was happening on location.

[QUOTE=pumpjack hand;34421]How is this normal- What’s causing this discrepancy?
From BPs well schematic:
12,400# = 800’ 3-1/2” 15.50#
85,215# = 3450’ 5-1/2” 24.70#
103,748# = 4117’ 6-58” 25.20#
= 201,363# weight in air

From Halliburton last 2 hr. chart:
340,000#-400,000# buoyant hook load[/QUOTE]
Was this after disconnecting from the casing?

Call me cynical but if I was a PR expert working for a corporation, and I was asked by Govt/BP WHEN and what day of the week to release BAD NEWS … I would pick about this time of week.
[B]May 29, 2010 Saturday, 8:00 - 8:25 p.m. EDT[/B], the time of this web release. America has been patiently waiting like a relative outside a waiting room since last Monday. We see constant images of working and working, steady at the helm, the Doctors say the operation is on plan and they calm and perseverant, trying everything, doing all they can. We ourselves are weary … finally they give is the bad news, confirming our fears. They do it on a weekend.

[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;34371]CNN reports that top kill has failed.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1[/QUOTE]

Families or individuals watch TV Saturday night traditionally, and immediately following perhaps to learn HOW they should interpret this tragedy. They are in shock of wonder and especially open to any suggestions that help them interpret and fit this into their wheeling reality consciousness‘. Empty for knowing not how to react, they seek TV talking heads in comfort. Yet there is little time then to talk to friends or family or to do independent research such as find us here.
By the time they get to work and the coffee machine Monday, where conversations run on between adults out of media control, they wish to know that you were stung with a shock or shot the night before – and thereby [U]inoculated with their message[/U] as if by hypodermic into your brain. If TV didn’t influence you subliminally, they would not pay $100k+/30-second spot. The message is so subtle as to influence individuals, filling a brain seeking to know, while maintaining non-bias appearances. Viewers buy what they put before us, en masse inoculation at the opportune time. The disease is discontent …
As supportive trivia … Let me explain something I learned in my college curriculum of Marketing, BS 1980.

[B]Inoculation[/B]
[U]Inoculation theory states that to prevent persuasion it is necessary to strengthen preexisting attitudes, beliefs, or opinions[/U].
First, the receiver [U]must be warned of an impending attack[/U]. This establishes threat (or a recognition of vulnerability) and initiates defenses to future attacks.
Therefore, the idea is that when weak argument is presented in the inoculation message their process of refutation will prepare for stronger persuasion later.
It is critical that the attack is strong enough to keep the receiver defensive, but weak enough to not actually change those preexisting ideas.
[U]This will hopefully make the receiver actively defensive and allow them to create arguments in favor of their preexisting thoughts[/U].
The more active the receiver becomes in his or her defense the more it will strengthen their own attitudes, beliefs, or opinions
[B]Inoculation Theory[/B] was developed by social psychologist William J. McGuire in 1961 to explain more about how attitudes and beliefs change, and more important, how to keep original attitudes and beliefs consistent in the face of persuasion attempts.

Talking heads establish debate between 2 sides that define the established extremes of viewpoints. Anything beyond and outside of those 2 viewpoints are “off the farm.” “out of bounds” subject to ridicule or scorn. The debate is defined that way, subliminally. [I](This is purely speculation and I am sharing my own suspicions fyi, but expect no comments)[/I]

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;34389]How MUCH safer are you talking about?

You don’t buy new tires for your automobile every month instead of every 2 -3 years, even though that would obviously be the “safer” thing to do. You don’t do it because you are plenty safe with tires 2 years old — even with your very life (and even the life of your loved ones and children) riding on the decision, you don’t necessarily go with the “safest” option.

So I can’t answer your question without more knowledge of the specifics of the situation.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if you work in the business, but if you do & have ever run casing can you tell me if laying down 3 40’ joints of casing in a 3000’ run is usual?

[QUOTE=company man 1;34423]Was this after disconnecting from the casing?[/QUOTE]

4/20
From page 17 of BPs report they finished tripping in at 15:00 to start pumping.

Halliburton starts their chat at 20:00 displacing w/sea water

[QUOTE=pumpjack hand;34426]4/20
From page 17 of BPs report they finished tripping in at 15:00 to start pumping.

Halliburton starts their chat at 20:00 displacing w/sea water[/QUOTE]
I didn’t get that far, but you thinking what I’m thinking? Did those weights on work string come from BPs investigation?

[QUOTE=company man 1;34422]I understand your points completely & I cannot make an arguement to defend Transocean’s actions or inactions overall, but when you have an operator giving bonuses for time saved because they are not only paying for a rig they are payin for a buttload of service crews, there is a very high probability that these types of corners will be cut. I am not excusing TO’s people, but waving money in front of a guy trying to save a donwpayment for a new house or buy a new car he couldn’t otherwise afford to skip proper procedure, to me is evil. You could also hang the MMS on the ESDs because it is their job to witness the use of those systems I believe every quarter. The main point of my argument is all of these things went on right in front of BP’s noses & being in those guys shoes I can just about guarantee you they not only informed those guys, they more than likely had an in house sales/tech./ engineer caling on the BP drilling staff 5 days a week 8 hours a day to let them know what was happening on location.[/QUOTE]

Lots of pressure, definitely. You really think the TO sales tech walked in and told BP the DWH wasn’t fit? If nothing else the BOP and Dead Man should have worked… Keep in mind, unlike lots of posters here, my perspective is from someone who never has and never will need to work for any of those companies. Before I built my own rig I was only an operator and once took a rig owner as a partner in drilling my prospectl and he put a bop that didn’t work on the hole, his hands told me, but I wasn’t paying him, he was drilling for an interest in the well, I was young and we had a diverter so I let it pass and slipped by. But I’ve had to close the bop a couple of times since then so I’m too old for that anymore…

[QUOTE=company man 1;34428]I didn’t get that far, but you thinking what I’m thinking? Did those weights on work string come from BPs investigation?[/QUOTE]

BP schematized the string design on page 17 with diameter, no weights. I just used standard weights.

Halliburton charted the hook load…

What I’m thinking is too incredible, what are you thinking?

[QUOTE=pumpjack hand;34429]Lots of pressure, definitely. You really think the TO sales tech walked in and told BP the DWH wasn’t fit? If nothing else the BOP and Dead Man should have worked… Keep in mind, unlike lots of posters here, my perspective is from someone who never has and never will need to work for any of those companies. Before I built my own rig I was only an operator and once took a rig owner as a partner in drilling my prospectl and he put a bop that didn’t work on the hole, his hands told me, but I wasn’t paying him, he was drilling for an interest in the well, I was young and we had a diverter so I let it pass and slipped by. But I’ve had to close the bop a couple of times since then so I’m too old for that anymore…[/QUOTE]
I think you have a VERY good point & from everything I’ve seen you post you’re the kind of guy I enjoy working for. I can tell you & you’ve evidently seen it for yourself, you get alot more done with a lot less breakdowns & have a lot more respect from people when you do it right. & I’ve never seen anybody end up being sorry for being safe.
On the hook load thing, what do you thinkl? & did you see the work string numbers form the investigation?

I’m afraid to even say what I’m thinking. Geronimo! is it possible they never diconnected from the string? NO WAY DUDE.[QUOTE=pumpjack hand;34430]BP schematized the string design on page 17 with diameter, no weights. I just used standard weights.

Halliburton charted the hook load…

What I’m thinking is too incredible, what are you thinking?[/QUOTE]

I was reading an article where a Matt Simmons says [B]“Top Kill” is a sideshow and the real problem is 5 to 7 miles away, where a second fissure is “releasing a plume the size of Delaware and Maryland combined.”

[/B]What do you guys think about this comment? Is it even possible this other release is out there? If so, how come nobody else is talking about this?

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The show I saw yesterday with the tow guys I saw didn’t impress me at all. It is possible they fracked out, but that far away. Bullsh.t![QUOTE=RiverPirate;34433]I was reading an article where a Matt Simmons says [B]“Top Kill” is a sideshow and the real problem is 5 to 7 miles away, where a second fissure is “releasing a plume the size of Delaware and Maryland combined.”

[/B]What do you guys think about this comment? Is it even possible this other release is out there? If so, how come nobody else is talking about this?

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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-tells-bloomberg-only-way-contain-oil-leak-small-nuclear-bombs-top-kill-just-dis[/QUOTE]