[QUOTE=rlanasa;34001]Mr. Pickens is a great investor, but this time he did not do his homework. In 1979 the FAA grounded the entire DC-10 fleet based on accidents and design issues. The US Military has gone as far as ground every aircraft of every type after accidents.
At this point the US exploration industry is at risk of permanent shut down. The prudent thing to do here is a voluntary shut down of everything offshore coupled with complete top to bottom review. A second accident now could very well be the end of US offshore drilling operations.[/QUOTE]
What did anybody expect T. Boone to say ? He’s going to advocate for no restrictions as much as possible. He needs to realize guys like him are going throw BP on the sacrificial alter of blood or we’ re all going to be eating potted meat for about the next two years. Gee thanks BP.
Let the fallout & collateral damage begin.
[QUOTE=stevenPensacola;33996]From MSNBC: WASHINGTON - The flow of oil from the broken well in the Gulf of Mexico has [B]stopped[/B], the U.S. incident commander Admiral Thad Allen claimed Friday…[/QUOTE]
Well IF they’re claiming it stopped, CNN too…and knowing that peeps will rush for a view of NO FLOW, Why the HELL have the IDIOTS diverted ALL the cameras, the “portal view” on CNN, AWAY from the same spewing pipes we’ve been watching all week…??? Instead, one camera is photographing nothing but the wide open deep brown dispersant globlet sea… Ay yi yi…
[QUOTE=johnebe;34005]Well IF they’re claiming it stopped, CNN too…and knowing that peeps will rush for a view of NO FLOW, Why the HELL have the IDIOTS diverted ALL the cameras, the “portal view” on CNN, AWAY from the same spewing pipes we’ve been watching all week…??? Instead, one camera is photographing nothing but the wide open deep brown dispersant globlet sea… Ay yi yi…[/QUOTE]
It looks like they’r checking out one of the pump hoses.
Has MSM cclaimed the flow stopped? Did anyone see the top of stack where they were showing th emud coming out yesterday to confirm that?[QUOTE=company man 1;34007]It looks like they’r checking out one of the pump hoses.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=company man 1;34007]It looks like they’r checking out one of the pump hoses.[/QUOTE]
i think it’s only CNN that’s giving the solo view that’s being distributed so widely [U]AND[/U] the multi-camera operational display “Oceaneering Portal View”… 7 cameras currently live…NOTHING…including one that’s showing the nothingness i described above…
[QUOTE=johnebe;34009]i think it’s only CNN that’s giving the solo view that’s being distributed so widely [U]AND[/U] the multi-camera operational display “Oceaneering Portal View”… 7 cameras currently live…NOTHING…including one that’s showing the nothingness i described above…[/QUOTE]
When I went to bed earlier it looked like the spew coming out was somewhat smaller. Did anyone see if it was still spewing or not later?
also claiming they executed the “junk shot”…
CNN, of course, rushing to be FIRST…ambiguous…but FIRST…
so i’ll wait for an update…and give CM1 a shot at interpreting the ambiguity…
So is this news release saying that the mud has completely displaced the oil…only [I]NOW[/I], they have to cap the MUD leak…?
"The oil flow stopped when heavy drilling mud was being pumped into the well at high pressure, but it was too early to tell whether the operation will be able to permanently keep oil from gushing out, said Tony Hayward, BP’s chief executive officer. The oil giant plans to resume pumping mud later Friday.
“Clearly, while we’re pumping mud there is no oil and gas coming into the sea,” Hayward said. A live video feed from the ocean floor showed a thick brown stream gushing into the water. That material was almost all nontoxic, water-based mud – not oil – he said.
Also Friday, engineers in the Gulf tried the “junk shot” method in an attempt to stop the massive oil leak in the Gulf, Hayward said.
The procedure involved shooting debris such as shredded rubber tires, golf balls and similar objects into the blowout preventer in an attempt to clog it and stop the leak. The goal of the junk shot is to force-feed the preventer, the device that failed when the disaster unfolded, until it becomes so plugged that the oil stops flowing or slows to a relative trickle.
The company plans to resume its “top kill” method, later Friday, he said.
[QUOTE=rlanasa;33997]Have you figured out yet this started late Wednesday with small (1Bbl per minute) volume incremental pump loads to determine what the well reaction would be? From there the plan was adjusted and will continue will small incremental increases in pressure/volume thru the weekend?
The big dump, boil the ocean, balls to the wall play was never going to happen and certainly did not happen Wednesday morning.[/QUOTE]
rlanasa-
Please. You clearly do not know what the hell you are talking about and people who read you become instantly dumber.
Please watch this link, it’s Kent Wells straight from bp corporate explaining the top kill procedure. I’m condensing it for you: they had to overcome the flow volume of oil/gas in order to reach the pressures required to force mud down the hole. Are you honestly telling people that 1bbl/minute is what the oil flow rate was?
More and smarter bp disinformation specialists. Please!
BTW, for those who didn’t get dumbed down by reading you, this tip: once they reached the flow rate required to match the pressures they calculated to force mud down the well, they knew EXACTLY what the flow rate from the reservoir was volumetrically.
Cpt, John, Bigmoose, dumbone, I have been visiting Mr. sand man. Are they proclaiming the leak to be stopped? Has this come from BP directly & did they accompany pictures of the flow slowing down from where the damaged riser was sticking out of the stack ? Can someone give me a shot of oh heck yeh?
“At this point the US exploration industry is at risk of permanent shut down.”
This is just a crazy thing to contemplate from every practical perspective. Not to mention completely unnecessary. In the context of corporate profits & corruption in the “government oversight”, the only possible motive for doing that would be bumping up energy prices on the market, so that these 2 entities could profit more. Well, and political haymaking. Until there are VIABLE alternatives that EVERY person CAN use (can actually afford to take advantage of- & these technologies open their own cans of worms) and components that can successfully replace petroleum products in manufacturing, ceasing exploration entirely for any time beyond what is needed to verify the systems would be lighting a remarkably short fuse on our economy & our way of life. Make yourself a list of all the things petroleum goes into & then imagine the cost of those goods inflated beyond comprehension. (or maybe that would please you. I don’t know)
The government & these corporations spend fortunes on “studies”, “foundations” & marketing (their profits/ management’s bonuses sure aren’t suffering), but yet they can’t “afford” to hire the engineers and work with the people who actually run rig equipment to plan ahead & create effective solutions to protect lives & the environment? It is completely disingenuous to try & generalize that exploration & production of oil & gas is the problem because the people who are supposed to be ultimately in control are irresponsible. The closest they come to even putting up a pretense is paying off the government bodies to allow them to get away with stuff & misrepresenting themselves.
The problem isn’t drilling. The problem is power & greed. Until that gets remedied, the damage- in every arena, will get worse. Good luck with that.
forget about it. I just got a view of things again.
[QUOTE=company man 1;34016]Cpt, John, Bigmoose, dumbone, I have been visiting Mr. sand man. Are they proclaiming the leak to be stopped? Has this come from BP directly & did they accompany pictures of the flow slowing down from where the damaged riser was sticking out of the stack ? Can someone give me a shot of oh heck yeh?[/QUOTE]
Cnn’s mutiple camera view now looks like there is still stuff coming out of the bent part of the riser (at least this is what I was told that is- multiple holes in it) on one side, but the other side looks stopped. I can’t tell how much less it is because I can’t enlarge individual screens.
When I got up at 6 AM, what was coming out was significantly diminished & the ones on the right were all but stopped. That camera was elsewhere most of the morning, at least on cnn.
Holding my breath.
ok ok…CNN portal view with one camera showing the same spewing from the riser…BUT with Wayward claiming it’s ALL MUD…
ok ok, this has been covered…but since we may have arrived at the point, let me clarify for myself:
Is it technically possible to pump mud 24/7…? If need be, until the relief well is operating…?
I [I]think [/I]CM1 said something regarding such BUT also advised, if so, for peeps to sell off any BP holdings they might have… Was that It…?
I’ll say amen to this post. I posted similar earlier in this thread. But this is the fundamental problem with our society today. We have BIG GOVERNMENT & BIG BUSINESS having to cover each others hind ends when in reality it was painfully obvious after yesterday’s episode of bring in the clowns that too big to fail & systemic risks are terms that any politician who usesn them should be tarred & feathered immediately. This wasn’t an industry problem it was a lack of respect problem by one company. Now, as the politicians & media who don’t have enough sense to figure there is guilty & there is innocent & there is good & bad become the moral judges & convict the whole industry instead of the irresponsible derrilicts who caused this, we all suffer the concequences.
Doesn’t this remind us of anything. It is the mortgage/ banking crises all over again. Who is in jail from Goldman Saks or AIG ? Yet they are punishing every good bank in America to pay for the sins of a few hudred pieces of trash on Wall Street.[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;34017]“At this point the US exploration industry is at risk of permanent shut down.”
This is just a crazy thing to contemplate from every practical perspective. Not to mention completely unnecessary. In the context of corporate profits & corruption in the “government oversight”, the only possible motive for doing that would be bumping up energy prices on the market, so that these 2 entities could profit more. Well, and political haymaking. Until there are VIABLE alternatives that EVERY person CAN use (can actually afford to take advantage of- & these technologies open their own cans of worms) and components that can successfully replace petroleum products in manufacturing, ceasing exploration entirely for any time beyond what is needed to verify the systems would be lighting a remarkably short fuse on our economy & our way of life. Make yourself a list of all the things petroleum goes into & then imagine the cost of those goods inflated beyond comprehension. (or maybe that would please you. I don’t know)
The government & these corporations spend fortunes on “studies”, “foundations” & marketing (their profits/ management’s bonuses sure aren’t suffering), but yet they can’t “afford” to hire the engineers and work with the people who actually run rig equipment to plan ahead & create effective solutions to protect lives & the environment? It is completely disingenuous to try & generalize that exploration & production of oil & gas is the problem because the people who are supposed to be ultimately in control are irresponsible. The closest they come to even putting up a pretense is paying off the government bodies to allow them to get away with stuff & misrepresenting themselves.
The problem isn’t drilling. The problem is power & greed. Until that gets remedied, the damage- in every arena, will get worse. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]
Or you could buy BJ & Halliburton stock because those boats aint cheap.[QUOTE=johnebe;34021]ok ok…CNN portal view with one camera showing the same spewing from the riser…BUT with Wayward claiming it’s ALL MUD…
ok ok, this has been covered…but since we may have arrived at the point, let me clarify for myself:
Is it technically possible to pump mud 24/7…? If need be, until the relief well is operating…?
I [I]think [/I]CM1 said something regarding such BUT also advised, if so, for peeps to sell off any BP holdings they might have… Was that It…?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;34020]Cnn’s mutiple camera view now looks like there is still stuff coming out of the bent part of the riser (at least this is what I was told that is- multiple holes in it) on one side, but the other side looks stopped. I can’t tell how much less it is because I can’t enlarge individual screens.
When I got up at 6 AM, what was coming out was significantly diminished & the ones on the right were all but stopped. That camera was elsewhere most of the morning, at least on cnn.
Holding my breath.[/QUOTE] Yeh, I love the assistance with understanding, what they are showing. I heard someone on TV say it was part of the BOP & didn’t realize until late yesterday afternoon it is the bent riser right at the top of the stack. They must have sent a heavy piece of metal, REAL HEAVY, & mashed the riser at the leak sometime between the morning pumping & the afternoon pumping Wednesday. That is why I am SPECULATING that they moved the ROV. If they mashed the riser this bad, there’s no way to get any decent information 600’- 1500’ down the line.
I’m gonna be honest as I can about this. These guys may be astrophysicists & the most brilliant people on earth, but it is not looking promising to me anymore. They can pump everyday & control the leak like that as long as they are not putting the Corexit in the oil with out telling us & that’s ok with me. The top kill has not killed, but it has controlled so far & if this is the solution until relief wells can get where they need to go & they suck the oil out the other end & replace with cement until they kill it that’s ok with me . It appears this will be the upper limit of success for this project. I just don’t want to be lied to any more by a CRIMINAL organization such as BP or a bought off pollyparrot like Thad Allen, Ken Sallizar, or Barak Obama. Please give me a little credit for more intelligence. I can understand that this is going to be the 38th parralel, what I cannot understand is why if a fox steals the chickens you take feed away from all the other critters on the farm.
In other words, passing more meaningless legislation, when had the existing rules been followed by BPs representitives, will solve NOTHING. Holding people CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTIBLE for causing disasters like this is the only way to send the message that if you allow this type of catastrophe to occur when you could have absolutely avoided it by following the rules & doing the right thing, is the ONLY surefire way to ever keep things like this, the banking crisis, or the next scam coming down the pike at America from occuring over & over again.
[QUOTE=company man 1;34016]Cpt, John, Bigmoose, dumbone, I have been visiting Mr. sand man. Are they proclaiming the leak to be stopped? Has this come from BP directly & did they accompany pictures of the flow slowing down from where the damaged riser was sticking out of the stack ? Can someone give me a shot of oh heck yeh?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I’m just catching up to speed here as I’ve been watching the hearings this morning. But it is my opinion that they’re saying the “oil” flow stopped which translates to me that mud is flowing … and they’re waiting to see if oil starts flowing again.
Edit: which, btw, translates to me that they’re saying “here, here is a pacifier for you, you can go away happy now.”
More from WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264721101985024.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read#articleTabs%3Darticle
Mr. Harrell (the OIM) must be very happy with this piece. He should have been in charge once the s… hit the fan.
[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;34017]The problem isn’t drilling. The problem is power & greed. Until that gets remedied, the damage- in every arena, will get worse.[/QUOTE]
AMEN to that!